Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Joe Louis was a heavyweight champion.

In 50 years time Wlad may be considered a cruiserweight but he still was heavyweight champion.

Stop trying to re-write history.
Alright, let me make you a concession here...

Don't try to sell me on consecutive defences because they are meaningless, a loss is a loss and an upset an upset.

(as a side note the same thing applies to "X time Heavyweight champ", it's meaningless, basically meaning you LOST it X-1 times!

Don't try to sell me on "undisputed" because it is obviously harder to win and retain more than 1 belt.

Joe Louis is the most dominant HW champion still of all time to date ok.. Given the following criteria...

"Most successful title defences."

You do realise that Wladimir is basically set to overtake this anyway right.. In total. And when he does I will no longer make this concession.

In terms of a 200+ HW record, EVEN WITH BUMS (a win is a win), Wladimir has already surpassed it!

So really it comes down to what HW really means. I think that when the definition changes, it's irrelevant what things were called in the past.

If the speed limit changes from 60 to 50 km per hour, I hardly think the cop will care what the speed limit was yesterday let alone in 1930!

I don't think you can fairly COMPARE Joe Louis to Wladimir Klitschko in this way because they have absolutely NOTHING in common, except they were at one point in history, both CALLED Heavyweights!