I haven't seen anyone deny there is an issue. Kum-Ba-Ya means someone who poo-poo's someone's suggestions of community action/relationship building/working together with imams on the grounds that "don't tell Muslims what to do" etc. but then they themselves offer no solutions and/oradmit they don't have the expertise to find a solution. I think you misinterpreted what I meant by Kum-Ba-Ya. I hope I clarified that now. Stop talking shit about Kum-Ba-Ya its a right good choon mate.