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Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Joe Frazier lost still considered top 10, Big George got beat still considered great, Liston falls outside because he was unlucky to have Ali in his era.

Now you go.
Now I go what?

You already admit your rating system is based on LUCK. Joe Louis holds a real record, like Tyson for youngest heavyweight champ that's a real record it's quantifiable your admiration for Ali while understandable isn't quantifiable. You can't say "Ali is the greatest because of _____" it's just "Ali is the greatest." and that's it there's no because of this because of that it just IS and for no definable reason. And that my friend is the crux of this debate.

25 up 25 down...a record.
Again you are conveniently ignoring what I have written many many times.

Ali is the best because he beat what most people regard as 3 great heavyweights in his career. So it is not the crux of it.

Joe Louis, who did I mention got beat up and knocked out, went on a run of 25 defences and when I said name me someone on the list that would be regarded as a top 10 you talk about the depression and world war.