Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[Primo Carnera]

Can you be higher ranked p4p than your opponent, even if your opponent beat you ?

to be clear i am talking all time pound for pound, i have to say yes, i can rank a fighter higher all time pound for pound, than an opponent that beat them

Finally, you finished off your post trying to justify your view by saying some of Canelo’s best wins were at LMW.
So go on then, tell me which defences at LMW are good enough to elevate him above Ward?

he didn't say any of canelo's wins at one fifty four elevated canelo over andre did he, only that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. you just created an argument to attack that he never made

I'm happy for you to jump into this friendly debate I'm having with @Master, because it's an open public forum for all to join in. But if you are going to do so, you need to take it from the start and put it all into context and not just cherry pick pieces out of context because you think they can prove your point in a distorted manner.
The WHOLE Debate started because @Master believed that Canelo was a better p4p fighter than Ward. (Last Sentence post#344) . So when @Master stated that , AND I QUOTE "Besides, some of Canelo's best wins were at LMW" , it is clearly a statement to back up his opinion that Canelo is above Ward p4p.
@Master has since replied and acknowledged this , so he hardly needs you to to speak on his behalf .
Like I said , join in by all means , but make sure you base your Judgement of the WHOLE CASE IN POINT.

where does he say that any of canelo's defences at light middleweight are good enough to elevate him above andre? he only said that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. if you disagree that they are some of canelo's bests wins, that is fine but it is dishonest to create an argument that was never made. canelo's wins a light middleweight are mentioned because we are talking about careers & all time pound for pound & those fights are part of canelo's career. i'm not speaking for anyone, i am pointing out your dishonesty

Who is “creating an argument?” The only person trying to create an argument is You!…………….with Yourself.

just highlighting your dishonest tactics that i have also pointed out in the past. you skew your questions into strawman arguments that haven't been implied or made but lets move past that because i wanted to focus on one of your own questions you asked & get your answer to it if possible. do you think a fighter can be higher ranked all time pound for pound than their opponent, even if their opponent beat them?

I’ll ignore the first have of your post, because it’s unworthy of a comment. So I’ll stick to answering the question.
If both Boxers are either at their prime or at the same points of their careers, then no, I don’t think a Boxer can be ranked higher than their opponent if their opponent beat them.
I’m not trying to be evasive with that answer, I’m just trying to be as clear as possible, because there are exceptions to every rule.
For example. Ali lost to Norton, Berbick, Spinks , even Frazier. But Ali would be above all of them because he was further from his prime than those mentioned. Even Frazier, because he hadn’t fought at the level Frazier was at for over 3 years.
Even possibly Hagler and Hearns, Hagler beat him at “his weight” the only weight he ever fought at , whereas Hearns had peaks at lower weights and even won titles at heavier weights so there is an argument for Hearns to be higher than Hagler.
Whereas Floyd and Manny although not at their primes, were in a similar place in their careers , so I believe Floyd beating Manny trumps Manny winning titles at more weights. Also because there is nobody on Manny’s record that Floyd wouldn’t beat.
Hope that answers (my) question.