Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III 17/9/22

[Master]

Can you be higher ranked p4p than your opponent, even if your opponent beat you ?

to be clear i am talking all time pound for pound, i have to say yes, i can rank a fighter higher all time pound for pound, than an opponent that beat them

Finally, you finished off your post trying to justify your view by saying some of Canelo’s best wins were at LMW.
So go on then, tell me which defences at LMW are good enough to elevate him above Ward?

he didn't say any of canelo's wins at one fifty four elevated canelo over andre did he, only that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. you just created an argument to attack that he never made

I'm happy for you to jump into this friendly debate I'm having with @Master, because it's an open public forum for all to join in. But if you are going to do so, you need to take it from the start and put it all into context and not just cherry pick pieces out of context because you think they can prove your point in a distorted manner.
The WHOLE Debate started because @Master believed that Canelo was a better p4p fighter than Ward. (Last Sentence post#344) . So when @Master stated that , AND I QUOTE "Besides, some of Canelo's best wins were at LMW" , it is clearly a statement to back up his opinion that Canelo is above Ward p4p.
@Master has since replied and acknowledged this , so he hardly needs you to to speak on his behalf .
Like I said , join in by all means , but make sure you base your Judgement of the WHOLE CASE IN POINT.

where does he say that any of canelo's defences at light middleweight are good enough to elevate him above andre? he only said that some of canelo's best wins were at light middle. if you disagree that they are some of canelo's bests wins, that is fine but it is dishonest to create an argument that was never made. canelo's wins a light middleweight are mentioned because we are talking about careers & all time pound for pound & those fights are part of canelo's career. i'm not speaking for anyone, i am pointing out your dishonesty

Primo is not being dishonest he just asked a question.

It is an interesting discussion about how we interpret p4p, and we all have our own opinion which we can change through debate. I am open to his thoughts as I am not entirely convinced, I have all the answers on who is the better p4p fighter of the two.

All I would say is that Primo does tend to admire the zero more than it should be as taking a challenge to move up in weight but lose should not be held against them.

he is being dishonest & misrepresenting what you said. you said some of canelo's bests wins are at light middleweight. primo carnera then creates the strawman argument, "So go on then, tell me which defences at LMW are good enough to elevate him above Ward?". aren't we comparing careers? we all have our own opinions & these are subjective lists

I gave him 2 names and said they alone do not elevate him above Ward. Primo accepted this and was the end of that particular discussion.