Margarito now #6....

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Beat the man to take his place? That doesn't work. Technique and style HAVE to be a factor in P4P.

The strength of each division and the fighters operating in them changes constantly.

What about P4P fighters that become OLD (more chance of losing) but still retain their position?

Pac is currently ranked 1. He is moving up in weight which increases his chance of LOSING without losing his P4P ranking. What if David Diaz had sparked him out. Diaz deserves to be ranked the BEST fighter on earth?

Hmm

Surely the p4p rankings are there to show who would be the best fighter in the world if everybody fought at the same weight?

So there is no way that Cotto can be above Margarito...

I agree that a fighter moving up several weight division and finally losing isn't enough for him to lose his place...if it was apparent that it was purely the weight factor that beat him. (how you decide that, god only knows).

And maybe freak occurances like for example if someone like Carlos Maussa somehow fought Mayweather(if he was stil #1) and caught him (somehow again) with a brutal left hook and ko'd him, then moving him to number 1 based on that might be a little shifty....because 99times out of 100 Mayweather would beat him.

But, the way in which Margarito beat Cotto to me means that Cotto cannot be above him. I see no way how Cotto can beat him. I think Saturday proved that. It wasn't a freak occurence. It was a mental beatdown.

I agree that technique and style have to be factor but it shouldn't be everything....because it's clearly not everything in boxing. I think you have to judge each case on it's merit, but to me, if a fighter beats the 'man' and does it decisively....without it being freak occurence or the result of a guy fighting way above/below their weight range, then he should take his place.

and breathe....

Of course technique and style shouldn't be everthing. They go with longevity, quality of opposition etc..

Damn! You write some confusing stuff ono

Who said Cotto should rank above Margarito? I missed that.

In Margarito's case - he enhanced his standing among the top fighters in the world. He ranks higher than Cotto.

But as your own examples highlighted (before you went back to your original opinion ) taking the place of the fighter you defeated is highly flawed.

Yeah i confused myself actually. Forgot what the thread was even about in the end...

Anyway yeah it's flawed...i didn't take into consideration what you pointed out (diaz beating pac and being #1 etc...)

But yeah providing there wasn't obvious exceptional circumstances in the defeat (complete fluke, losing several divisions outside your weight range etc...) i think it's justified.

All in all, i'd suggest judging each case on it's merit.

Fuck sake i've basically just repeated my last post again.

Yeah ignore me, you get my point anyway....i hope