Haye 16st 9lbs

[The Fightfan]

You also have to take into account that the men they were facing were same weight maybe slightly under or over what they weighed.Today's heavyweight's are much bigger and guy's like Wlad have great boxing talent that really hasn't been seen in besides Lennox. Both of these men are huge they are not plotters but light on the toes,their not slow they are very quick indeed for big men.To see Shaver's or Joe Louis in their with Lennox or Wlad I think they would toy with them and then knock them out.

Are you joking? Maybe you could make a case for Lennox beating Louis but not Wlad. I have all the respect in the world for him but he is just not mentally tough enough for Louis and also Lewis was KO'd by McCall and Rahman which is no great achievement but he avenged so i'm not going too deep into that. But also you said that Louis wasn't beating men that are as big as todays heavys let me give you a few examples:

25-6-1935 Joe Louis (196lbs) TKOd Primo Carnera (260 1/2 lbs) round 6.
21-3-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) TKOd Abe Simon (254 1/2 lbs) round 13.
23-5-1941 Joe Louis (202lbs) won by DQ after flooring Buddy Baer (237lbs) 3 times in round 6 after which Baers manager refused to leave the ring resulting in the DQ.
REMATCH 9-1-1942 Joe Louis (206lbs) KOd Buddy Baer (250lbs) round 1.
27-3-1942 Joe Louis (207lbs) TKO'd Abe Simon (255lbs) round 6.

Now I'd say that they are all big men like todays heavys but not one could stand upto Louis' punch power.

I go by the average of todays fighters what fighters weighed or how tall they were 20, 30, 50yrs ago means nothing so you went to boxrec and looked up all your statistics for nothing......Buddy Baer and Abe Simon were not in Louis Class look at their resumes before starting to use examples.....Buddy was an opponent for many a HW to look good against and the last name Baer brought in names...

As for Lewis being KO'd by Rahman and McCall and you not getting into that....Those were Lewis own fault for not taking his opp seriously.....I think he showed in the rematches who the man was...Neither gave him even a close round in the rematches....

So no I am not talking as though that is the weight HWts hardest punchers weighed and when you make a counterpoint don't use the biggest hoaxes to ever step in the division to make it

I will disagree with one thing I don't use box rec I know my shit and have everyone of the fight's I mentioned. So please just don't think of me as an incompentent schmo who runs to box rec everytime someone has a beef.