Still doubting Berto?

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Past it Mike McCallum, a much smaller man. He should have fought Reggie Johnson 5 years before at SMW. No, the competition good, but not great, but factor in that Roy had fights at the lower weights against to, maybe three top tier fighters (Hopkins, Toney, and maybe Tate) vs what Shane has fought at the higher weights it wasn't even close.

The bottom line is the Shane sought out THE BEST and made those fights happen. There was always an excuse, often financial or locational, why Roy didn't fight the BEST.

Never made out it was great competition but you brought up Roy Jones's Light Heavyweight resume so i gave you an example of Jones's opposition being much stronger than Mosley's resume at Lightweight, and even if you go overall Jones still wins it quite comfortably.

No he doesn't. I gave you that Jones's LHW resume is better than Shane's LW, but you can't say he wins comfortably on a career, especially in light of his very close loss to Cotto and his whipping a much larger Mayorga. Jones beat up on a lot of B to B+ fighters, but he avoided the best. Shane fought the best. Funny, you give Shane no credit for the Leija win (because he was past it, you say), but you list Reggie Johnson (past his best) and Mike McCallum (past his best, above his natural weight) as pluses in Roy's favor.

Above LW, Shane fought the following: Oscar 2x, Forrest 2x, Winky 2x, Vargas 2x, Collazo, Mayorga, Cotto, and behind that top group, Wilfredo Rivera and Shannon Taylor. If you are going to credit Jones with Reggie Johnson, you better credit Shane with Leija. Can you name a guy that makes you think, wow, I wish Shane would have found a way to make the fight happen!! He has always made great matchups. Jones digs up a retired Tito Trinidad, fights the one of the worst HW beltholders in recent memory, fights guys like McCallum and Reggie Johnson who are past their best. Wastes his time on a bum of the month club when he should have been rematching Toney or Hopkins, or making it happen against Benn, Eubank, or Calzaghe.

I rank Jones above Mosley all-time, p4p, but Shane fought tougher competition, as a whole career. Roy is the better fighter, but Shane is the better man.

I did give Shane Mosley credit for the Leija win bro thats why i listed him. As for who Shane Mosley could of fought.

Well Stevie Johnston, Paul Spadaforda, Kostya Tszyu, Antonio Margarito, Felix Trinidad, are a few that come to mind.

And if we are comparing the overall record are we just basing it on best wins, or the best fighters they fought ? i'll assume you meaning comparing just the best fighters they fought well in that case.

Roy Jones

Mike McCallum = shot
Montel Griffin x2
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Antonio Tarver x3
Eric Harding
Glen Johnson
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson = shot
Felix Trinidad = shot

Shane Mosley

Winky Wright x2
Vernon Forrest x2
Ricardo Mayorga = shot
ODLH x2
Fernado Vargas x2 = shot
John John Molina = shot
Jesse James Leija = shot
Philip Holiday
Wilfredo Rivera = Unsure of but for certain past his prime.
Miguel Cotto
Luis Collazo

To be honest i have to admit that is closer than i thought it would, actually looking at it as a whole like this, but i still think Jones edges it. Considering half Mosley's best opposition there were shot fighters.