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OK, Bilbo. I'm not sold on some aspects of evolution, for example there seems to be gaps in the timeline of man, changes from one ancestor to the next that are a little more than gradual, but yeah I do tend to believe in the timelines. Not so much that I have seriosuly scrutinized all the research, and can speak knowledgeably about different scientific dating techniques, etc., but because I tend to have faith in scientific consensus.

We can leave it at that if you want.
Yeah no problem buddy, I wouldn't presume to try and win anyone over to my way of thinking, at the end of the day your last sentence said it best.

We are all just blind men groping around looking for a wall to cling to, we cannot ever know how things started and so must ultimately believe through faith.

You're a step ahead of most however by acknowledging that believing in science, is a step of faith as well.

Ultimately we can believe that words in a book purported to be by God are true or we can believe that words of a man in a book are true.

It's faith either way.
OK I guess I'm not quite done. we differ a bit on this point. I know enough about scientific method that I consider believing in it to be a little more than an act of faith. Science to me is almost the opposite of faith. It's ironic isn't it that a belief system based a theory built upon evidence provides less certainty than a theory built on faith. But I do see your point, at some point it is faith, or else we have no knowledge/understanding at all that is outside our direct experience.
Evolutionary science isn't based on scientific method. Scientific method implies observational evidence and repeatable experiments that can be tested and verified.

Regarding evolution no scientists were there to observe it happening in the past, it's too slow a process to observe happening now and no fossils have yet been found for any species, flora or fauna that provide us with any intermediary fossils that document the evolutionary process at all.

In other words, we never saw it happen, we can't find any evidence of it happening, and it's seemingly not happening now.

None of that conforms to scientific method at all. It's pseudo science or quasi religion imo.