Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

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I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?

Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.

And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.

Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.

There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.

And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.

The p4p title is not like a belt that is won in the ring though would you agree with that?

Yes kind of but when I talk of p4p I'm talking specifically about the Ring Magazine and as they work within boxing and are essentially part of boxing they HAVE to abide by actual fight results and not their subjective opinion of whether a fighter should have got the decision or not.

If you want to say that in your opinion JM Marquez is p4p number 1 in the world according to your rankings, or Saddo's conduct a poll to find a top 10 and they put him at number 1 then that is all fine and dandy.

But the Ring magazine is the official p4p list and they cannot (and clearly would not) elevate a fighter above another he just lost to becuase in their subjective opinion they preferred his wins.

If the Ring was to do that it would lose all credibility and become just another opinion poll like everybody else's.

So in summation, Marquez number 1 in your poll or the official Saddo p4p rankings, fine, Marquez number 1 in the p4p Ring Rankings, forget it.

So your entire argument is moot since JT claimed it as his p4p list.

Anywho I'm off to school, see ya later.