Even if it only till the outcome of Pac/Hatton JMM is PFP#1

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I'm sorry Bilbo but I dont agree with your logic... JMM is a 35 year old fighter with 16 years experience and many of wars, he just absolutely crushed in brutal fashion a peak prime 135 pound relentless pressure fighting whirlwind who 3 fights ago was considered toast of the division even though Casamayor got a XMAS present against Santa Cruz...

a year ago 99% considered Diaz the Champ of the division, Marquez beat him at his own game knocked him down 2x and sparked him out cold... Diaz has never been stopped before.

Against Casamoyar a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer and can argue his resume is as good as Delahoya's in terms of who he's fought and beat... JMM stopped him, 1st man ever to do that too...

So JMM moves up in weight like Pac, Beats the ring #1 champ, Pac fought a pathetic title holder, Pac fights a zombie version of Delahoya, JMM beats the former #1-2 fighter at 135 in Diaz.

The proof is in the puddind

JMM is the real McCoy, no doubt about it#1 unless Pac can beat Hatton, if not JMM stays #1

I completely agree that JMM is the real McCoy he is an awesome fighter no doubt, but you can't put him at number 1 in the p4p rankings off the back of that win in place of the guy who holds a win over him just a couple fights ago.

And everything you said about Diaz applies pretty much to De La Hoya. Oscar had never been beaten up, only stopped once bymiddleweight king B Hop and had just lost a split decision to the p4p's best.

Marquez knocked Diaz out but he wasn't the first to beat him, Nate Campbell dominated Juan Diaz from the first bell and beat him far easier than Marquez did.

Unless you believe Nate is a top 10 p4p fighter your argument holds no logic to me.

Yes Marquez is great, yes he's unquestionably number 2 in the world but he can't leapfrog a man who beat him a year ago and then leapt not one, not two, but three weight classes and dominated and destroyed a living legend in De La Hoya.

Imo you are only detracting from Marquez's brilliant acomplishments by trying to make claims that cannot be backed up.

Marquez lost to Pacquaio in an extremely close fight hence he cannot be p4p number 1 in the world until he either avenges that defeat or Manny loses.

That's just the way boxing works. Manny defeated a fighter in Oscar that no boxing expert in the world expected him to do, whilst Marquez won a fight with Juan Diaz in which he was the slight favourite going in anyway seeing as Diaz had already been completely manhandled by a 36 veteran only two fights before.

If Manny loses to Hatton I'd have no problem putting Marquez as number 1 in the world but until then Manny is still the man.

Bilbo pretty much summed it all up on why MP should remain as #1 p4p.

But JT Rock,

Are saying Hatton is just a mediocre B-level fighter and Pacquiao won't gain anything by beating him?

[killersheep]

I'm sorry Bilbo but I dont agree with your logic... JMM is a 35 year old fighter with 16 years experience and many of wars, he just absolutely crushed in brutal fashion a peak prime 135 pound relentless pressure fighting whirlwind who 3 fights ago was considered toast of the division even though Casamayor got a XMAS present against Santa Cruz...

a year ago 99% considered Diaz the Champ of the division, Marquez beat him at his own game knocked him down 2x and sparked him out cold... Diaz has never been stopped before.

Against Casamoyar a 1st ballot Hall Of Famer and can argue his resume is as good as Delahoya's in terms of who he's fought and beat... JMM stopped him, 1st man ever to do that too...

So JMM moves up in weight like Pac, Beats the ring #1 champ, Pac fought a pathetic title holder, Pac fights a zombie version of Delahoya, JMM beats the former #1-2 fighter at 135 in Diaz.

The proof is in the puddind

JMM is the real McCoy, no doubt about it#1 unless Pac can beat Hatton, if not JMM stays #1

I completely agree that JMM is the real McCoy he is an awesome fighter no doubt, but you can't put him at number 1 in the p4p rankings off the back of that win in place of the guy who holds a win over him just a couple fights ago.

And everything you said about Diaz applies pretty much to De La Hoya. Oscar had never been beaten up, only stopped once bymiddleweight king B Hop and had just lost a split decision to the p4p's best.

Marquez knocked Diaz out but he wasn't the first to beat him, Nate Campbell dominated Juan Diaz from the first bell and beat him far easier than Marquez did.

Unless you believe Nate is a top 10 p4p fighter your argument holds no logic to me.

Yes Marquez is great, yes he's unquestionably number 2 in the world but he can't leapfrog a man who beat him a year ago and then leapt not one, not two, but three weight classes and dominated and destroyed a living legend in De La Hoya.

Imo you are only detracting from Marquez's brilliant acomplishments by trying to make claims that cannot be backed up.

Marquez lost to Pacquaio in an extremely close fight hence he cannot be p4p number 1 in the world until he either avenges that defeat or Manny loses.

That's just the way boxing works. Manny defeated a fighter in Oscar that no boxing expert in the world expected him to do, whilst Marquez won a fight with Juan Diaz in which he was the slight favourite going in anyway seeing as Diaz had already been completely manhandled by a 36 veteran only two fights before.

If Manny loses to Hatton I'd have no problem putting Marquez as number 1 in the world but until then Manny is still the man.

Bilbo pretty much summed it all up on why MP should remain as #1 p4p.

But JT Rock,

Are saying Hatton is just a mediocre B-level fighter and Pacquiao won't gain anything by beating him?

Not to speak for you JT, so correct me if I'm wrong, but............

Jt is saying JMM is #1, and if PAC beats Hatton, PAC becomes #1 again.

[killersheep]

Jesus just rewatched Marquez/Diaz absolutely amazing fight
Compubox says

Marquez - total punches 288/732 39% - power punches 190/401 47%
Diaz - total punches 252/781 32% - power punches 161/500 32%

FOTY no doubt

[JT Rock]

I completely agree that JMM is the real McCoy he is an awesome fighter no doubt, but you can't put him at number 1 in the p4p rankings off the back of that win in place of the guy who holds a win over him just a couple fights ago.

And everything you said about Diaz applies pretty much to De La Hoya. Oscar had never been beaten up, only stopped once bymiddleweight king B Hop and had just lost a split decision to the p4p's best.

Marquez knocked Diaz out but he wasn't the first to beat him, Nate Campbell dominated Juan Diaz from the first bell and beat him far easier than Marquez did.

Unless you believe Nate is a top 10 p4p fighter your argument holds no logic to me.

Yes Marquez is great, yes he's unquestionably number 2 in the world but he can't leapfrog a man who beat him a year ago and then leapt not one, not two, but three weight classes and dominated and destroyed a living legend in De La Hoya.

Imo you are only detracting from Marquez's brilliant acomplishments by trying to make claims that cannot be backed up.

Marquez lost to Pacquaio in an extremely close fight hence he cannot be p4p number 1 in the world until he either avenges that defeat or Manny loses.

That's just the way boxing works. Manny defeated a fighter in Oscar that no boxing expert in the world expected him to do, whilst Marquez won a fight with Juan Diaz in which he was the slight favourite going in anyway seeing as Diaz had already been completely manhandled by a 36 veteran only two fights before.

If Manny loses to Hatton I'd have no problem putting Marquez as number 1 in the world but until then Manny is still the man.

Bilbo pretty much summed it all up on why MP should remain as #1 p4p.

But JT Rock,

Are saying Hatton is just a mediocre B-level fighter and Pacquiao won't gain anything by beating him?

Not to speak for you JT, so correct me if I'm wrong, but............

Jt is saying JMM is #1, and if PAC beats Hatton, PAC becomes #1 again.

Greg is right.... I think Pac would be #1 again if he beats Hatton, hence the title... As it sits right here today JMM is #1 Boxer in the world. If Pac beats Hatton then Pac deserves to be #1 again.

I wouldnt be suprised if Mayweather toys with the Idea of Fighting JMM, especially if Hatton beats Pac, since Floyd had already been there and done that with Hatton.

[Kev]

Bilbo pretty much summed it all up on why MP should remain as #1 p4p.

But JT Rock,

Are saying Hatton is just a mediocre B-level fighter and Pacquiao won't gain anything by beating him?

Not to speak for you JT, so correct me if I'm wrong, but............

Jt is saying JMM is #1, and if PAC beats Hatton, PAC becomes #1 again.

Greg is right.... I think Pac would be #1 again if he beats Hatton, hence the title... As it sits right here today JMM is #1 Boxer in the world. If Pac beats Hatton then Pac deserves to be #1 again.

I wouldnt be suprised if Mayweather toys with the Idea of Fighting JMM, especially if Hatton beats Pac, since Floyd had already been there and done that with Hatton.

So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?

Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?

If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?

[killersheep]

Not to speak for you JT, so correct me if I'm wrong, but............

Jt is saying JMM is #1, and if PAC beats Hatton, PAC becomes #1 again.

Greg is right.... I think Pac would be #1 again if he beats Hatton, hence the title... As it sits right here today JMM is #1 Boxer in the world. If Pac beats Hatton then Pac deserves to be #1 again.

I wouldnt be suprised if Mayweather toys with the Idea of Fighting JMM, especially if Hatton beats Pac, since Floyd had already been there and done that with Hatton.

So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?

Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?

If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?

Juan Diaz was and is the #1 Ring rated contender in the weight class that JMM now occupies.

JMM fought the Lineal ring champ Casamayor in the fight before that.

There can be no question he fought the best in the division according to the ring, AKA the best opposition available to him.

[Kev]

Greg is right.... I think Pac would be #1 again if he beats Hatton, hence the title... As it sits right here today JMM is #1 Boxer in the world. If Pac beats Hatton then Pac deserves to be #1 again.

I wouldnt be suprised if Mayweather toys with the Idea of Fighting JMM, especially if Hatton beats Pac, since Floyd had already been there and done that with Hatton.

So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?

Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?

If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?

Juan Diaz was and is the #1 Ring rated contender in the weight class that JMM now occupies.

JMM fought the Lineal ring champ Casamayor in the fight before that.

There can be no question he fought the best in the division according to the ring, AKA the best opposition available to him.

I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?

Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.

And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.

Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.

There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.

And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.

[killersheep]

So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?

Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?

If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?

Juan Diaz was and is the #1 Ring rated contender in the weight class that JMM now occupies.

JMM fought the Lineal ring champ Casamayor in the fight before that.

There can be no question he fought the best in the division according to the ring, AKA the best opposition available to him.

I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?

Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.

And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.

Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.

There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.

And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.

The p4p title is not like a belt that is won in the ring though would you agree with that?

[Violent Demise]

So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?

Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?

If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?

Juan Diaz was and is the #1 Ring rated contender in the weight class that JMM now occupies.

JMM fought the Lineal ring champ Casamayor in the fight before that.

There can be no question he fought the best in the division according to the ring, AKA the best opposition available to him.

I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?

Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.

And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.

Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.

There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.

And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.

Only a fool would consider Pacquiao a former Lightweight champion. David Diaz won a vacant title by beating a non-champion. He's was a 3rd tier, paper champion. The fact that Pac decided to face him instead of Joel Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz or even a Julio Diaz is not something that should be bragged about