The Ring rankings arn't just a magazine though as they have immense prestige in the world of boxing even taking precedent over the alphabet belts.
Especially in the last few years we've seen many fights announced as being for the Ring Championship, or the fighter being regarded by the Ring Magazine as p4p one of the best in the world.
It DOES has authority and significance and in that sense is an official ranking system, unlike for example the Boxing Talk rankings list or BBC's p4p lists which are generally shit.
Setanta for example have David Haye in their top 10, and Chris John at 8 presumably becuase they had the rights to screen his fight with Rocky Juarez.
The Ring rankings though are respected and carry weigh within the boxing world and hence cannot be based on mere personal opinion.
If you are talking about any other ranking body I couldn't care less who they have in their top 10 but the Ring magazine's rankings are supposed to restore credibility and objectivity to the question of 'who are boxing's best?'.
Mighty Mike without a doubt, no P4P list can be taken seriously without him at its pinnacle.
I do agree with Bilbo though, whilst I do think that Marquez is #1, the fact remains that The Ring should only do these rankings on actual fight results, although it does make exceptions for bizarre decisions that are basically robberies (see Humberto Soto & Librado Andrade's ratings actually going up after their fights with Lorenzo & Bute). However, even though I thought JMM won, there is no way that fight was a robbery, it was much too close for that. I do believe the rankings are done by committee anyway so that should make sure that the system is fair. Although anyone who somehow thought ODLH actually won against PBF, clearly doesn't actually know shit about boxing. If someone like that was in charge of The Ring then I think its legitimacy would be damaged. I do think JMM is #1, but for me I cant see how someone could complain about Pacquiao being #1.
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I have to go with Bilbo on this one, and not because i am a Pac fan. If the shoe was on the other foot and Marquez squeeked out that split decision during their last encounter and was ranked P4P #1. No matter how much i thought Pac won the fight i would have no basis saying Pacman deserves to be #1. Regardless of who we feel won a fight. The Rankings have to have some type of boundries. The case of Marg/Cotto/Mosely doesn't apply here. Its all speculation when it comes to Pac/JMM and the opponents they have faced. Neither party has faced the same opposition besides MAB. And some have MAB beating JMM. That is exactly why you can't use speculation on P4P when the two fighters you are comparing HAVE fought one another and one of those fighters has the "W" on his record. Whether you agree with it or not.
It all boils down to JMM "technically" lost to Pac. Putting JMM at #2 - Case Closed
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We used to have our own Saddo P4P rankings. Wacko updated it regularly - unfortunately the rankings went with Wacko.
Someone restart the Saddo rankings. Lets see who the REAL fans think are on top P4P![]()
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Jesus just rewatched Marquez/Diaz absolutely amazing fight
Compubox says
Marquez - total punches 288/732 39% - power punches 190/401 47%
Diaz - total punches 252/781 32% - power punches 161/500 32%
FOTY no doubt
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Greg is right.... I think Pac would be #1 again if he beats Hatton, hence the title... As it sits right here today JMM is #1 Boxer in the world. If Pac beats Hatton then Pac deserves to be #1 again.
I wouldnt be suprised if Mayweather toys with the Idea of Fighting JMM, especially if Hatton beats Pac, since Floyd had already been there and done that with Hatton.
So if we assume by your logic that Pacquiao was number 1 prior to the Juan Diaz fight how can a win over a fighter who was not even in the top 10 p4p and who was dominated by a 36 year old veteran who was considered a journeyman at the time jump Marquez to number 1 now?
Because he came from behind? Because it was a knockout? Because it was exciting?
If he'd have won easily and dominated from the first bell would you just be saying it was clear that Diaz was broken by Campbell and now shot?
Juan Diaz was and is the #1 Ring rated contender in the weight class that JMM now occupies.
JMM fought the Lineal ring champ Casamayor in the fight before that.
There can be no question he fought the best in the division according to the ring, AKA the best opposition available to him.
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I don't dispute that and would unhesitatingly put Marquez as THE man in the lightweight division but how does he leapfrog the man who just beat him three fights ago and who has since won another world title at a different weight class and then jumped 3 weight classes to fight a 6 weight world champ and legend in the next fight?
Yes Marquez did fantastically well and has destroyed the two best fighters at lightweight (well Nate Campbell was the best but he's moved up now) but he can't leapfrog Pacquiao who he lost to off the back of that.
And if were going to get all subjective I think there are as many questionmarks over Casamayor and Juan Diaz as there are over David Diaz and Oscar.
Certainly Oscar had looked much better in recent outings than both Casa (who had looked awful against Santa Cruz and Katsidis) and Juan Diaz, who was totally beaten up by Nate Campbell.
There's simply no way a justification can be made for dropping Manny down a place on the back of three outstanding wins against JMM, David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya each one progressively more dominant than the last.
And if Marquez had got the decision against Manny, I'd be arguing the same for him, that Marquez won the fight and hence was p4p number 1 regardless whether people though Manny won or not.
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