How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

[Kev]

Beating Ponce and Penalosa isn't equivalent to beating Vic though. And outside of those two JML has nothing on his resume, Donaire's is better.

Well I did mention Dawson and Williams I would probably rank Dawson and Williams above, maybe, but its not by much. Donaire has the best win of anybody being discussed here IMO. Dawson and Williams maybe have a better overall body of work. At least Dawson.

Of course P4P is not just about accomplishments, its subjective too but generally I think all four guys have top ten P4P talent.

A bit off the point but I have to disagree with CFH on Caballero. Not the other guys though.

How is Donaire's much better? Who (vic aside) has Donaire beaten that was better than Ponce De Leon and Penalosa?

Remember Darchinyan became a two weight world champ and defeated Mijares and Arce AFTER the Donaire fight, so you can't give Donaire the credit of beating a superflyweight multi divisional conquerorer because he hasn't beaten one at all.

What about his the rest of his opposition? He's beaten nobody of note whatsoever. Since fighting Vic he's beaten Maldonado who Vic ko'd in 8 and Montiel in 3. He's fought some unknown South African who nobody had heard of in Mthlane and then fought again a complete unknown in Rual Martinez.

Yes Martinez was unbeaten but so what, Dimitri Sartisan was unbeaten when Kessler fought him last time out as was Koji Sato who Felix Sturm beat last time, why not put Sturm in the top 10 p4p for acomplishing such a great feat?

His resume has a single name on it, and the acomplishments of that opponent were made largely after that fight.

Putting Donaire at 7th is more erroneous than putting Mijares in there last year.

You're not listening to me I said I think a Darchinyan win is better than wins over Ponce and Penalosa. And aside from those three guys Donaire's wins are better than JML's. Believe me if I could make a case for him I would, he's a future monster IMO.

I've already said that I think you can't just ignore Darchinyan's accomplishments after Donaire when rating how good that win was. Has he improved since? Looks like it, but its hard to measure and I don't think you can make some claim that he's a totally different fighter, improved probably but not a totally different guy. Vic's wins since just validate the importance of the win for Donaire even more.

Look at Donaires record on boxrec his three fights prior to the Darchinan fight were 5-9, 35-27-1 and 5-6-1, his resume Darchinyan aside is totally mediocre.

Of his opponents since Darchinyan, only one had ever fought for a world title and he got knocked out.

Apart from Vic he's fought nobody let alone beaten anybody.

Chad Dawson has beaten Thomas Adamek, two time and reigning cruiserweight champ, Tarver Twice, former undisputed light heavyyweight champ, former p4p star, Johnson, another former undisputed champ and former p4p star.

Williams has won 3 world titles in two weight classes and holds a win over former top 3 p4p star Winky Wright.

Juan Guzman holds world titles at two different weights and has beaten four former or current champions.

Donaire's resume is totally mediocre aside from the Vic win, and Vic's best achievments were after the Donaire loss.

It just grates me