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generalbulldog
Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
Hatton is a bigger name or was a bigger name then given credit for...But there are UK residents and such in the US as well....
Which just as easily affects the PPV buys for the Pac/Hatton fight as it does the PBF/Hatton fight.
Marquez has plenty of fans...As for the PPV sales for him and Manny weree not too much different then PPV sales of lower weight classes especially under 130 this is nwhy there is not too many PPV fights at that weight...
That's just flagrantly not true Daxx. Marquez does have fans, but the fact was that before the fight, they were making a big deal about how a win for Marquez over a big name like Mayweather would give him the key to the massive Mexican-American fanbase. The indication was not that he was already at that stage.
Floyd Marquez did so well because of the
A possible PBF Pacquiao bout
You can just as easily argue the same about the Pac/Cotto fight or the Pac/Clottey fight, it doesn't make it true
People wanted to see what if anything Floyd lost during the layoff
Right, but then they were still buying for Floyd right?
People wanted to see how he did win or lose against Marquez....
But, wait isn't that still an interest in Floyd...
If he won how much did he dominate...If he lost the possibility of Manny Marquez 3
Isn't that basically the same point as 'if he lost something during the layoff'?
They played big factors in that....
3 fights with Big PPV numbers that had circumstances around them do not qualiofy as the PPV King.....
You can look at almost any PPV fight in history and come up with 'circumstances around them' for why they sold well or poorly.
Is Floyd the PPV king? It takes more then the 3 bouts this is being based on to assure that..I am not saying he might not be but people are jumping the gun....The Mosley fighthas drama around it aside from them 2 finally meeting...The whole Manny PED thing will help boost the sales added with 24/7...
So basically he has to fight a shit opponent so that you will give him credit as the PPV king? Wouldn't you then just criticize him for fighting a shit opponent?
I laugh because people have compared him as the next DLH in PPV but the day Floyd is able to sell PPV the way Oscar did with shit unknown opp will be the day he is the next DLH in PPV sales
What fight did ODLH sell that well. Let's set a benchmark of 600,000 sales as the tipping point & try & find a 'shit' opponent. I'll write the reply to this bit below.
It doesn't matter what the excuses are, Floyd is the current PPV king, this fact cannot be disputed. He is the biggest draw on PPV, respect must be given for that.
Manny in his own right is a genuine superstar of the sport and has crossed over, this fact can't be denied as a lot of people on this forum say he's not a superstar and a cherry picking bum that doesn't deserve credit for his boxing career.
It's absolutely ridiculous how people can't give either of these guys the credit they deserve. If you actually grouped their haters opinions together, you have two cherry-picking, fanless, overrated, cowardly c-list fighters rather than the reality which is two almost certain ATG fighters who've beaten much bigger guys in higher divisions while building up resumes that at least bare comparisom with some of the best of the past.
Daxx, in regard to your last point about Oscar doing well against shit opponents, here is his PPV history & let's set 600,000 as the base for good sales.
Top Pay Per View Events in Boxing History
Here's the fights that did over that number.
Pernell Whitaker - 720,000
Felix Trinidad - 1.4m
Fernando Vargas - 935,000
Shane Mosley II - 950,000
Bernard Hopkins - 1m
Ricardo Mayorga - 935,000
Floyd Mayweather - It has 2.15m here, I believe it was eventually 2.4m
Manny Pacquiao - If I remember right, this was 1.2m
So which opponent was 'shit' & which of those fights DIDN'T have circumstances around it that helped it sell better.
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