Israel at it again

[Kirkland Laing]

The organisations involved are known to have links to Hamas, and to support suicide bombing.

Yes, you know what they say, one man's humanitarian aid worker is another man's terrorist.

Ans also, you're just tking the piss here. Go and fuck youself you withered little midget.

I don't think there's any call for that. He's just expressing the views, be they right or wrong, that a lot of people in the West, especially in America, have.

He was trolling for a reaction like I already explained. He can answer my original reply to his first post anytime now.

So disagreeing with you is being a troll? Interesting.

I'm just pointing out there are two sides to every story. Before the blockade Hammas was bombing Israel and killing its citizens every single day. They were even sending in child suicide bombers. No other country on earth would allow terrorists to do that without retaliation and so Israel went into Gaza and sought to remove the threat.

The blockade was set up to try and prevent Hamas from rebuilding. It is a legitmate concern.

I'm not saying that Israel didn't fuck this up majorly but as it usually the case in life it is not a onesided argument. No nation on earth has greater reason to be paranoid and suspicious of their neighbours than Israel considering their history, both recent as well and historically. As a tiny nation surrounded by enemies on every side they obviously come down hard on attackers, in order to deter others from making similar threats.

It is a tragic situation all around.

You're not disagreeing, you posted almost exactly the same post the day before. I answered it, you ran away then came back the next day with almost exactly the same post. Here's my answer to your first post, you can answer it any time now :

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post883000

Hamas weren't killing Israelis every single day. There has never been any period since 1948 when the Palestinian death toll hasn't been significantly higher than the Israeli death toll. Suicide bombers are the result of a more than half a century of an illegal brutal military occupation, they're a reaction to aggression, not the initial aggression that starts the cycle of violence. The initial aggression is the occupation. After Israel ethnically cleansed the Palestinians out of 80% of their land in 1948 and herded the ones they didn't kill into refugee camps in the remaining 20% it took over 30 years for the Palestinians to start anything like organised military resistance, called "terrorism" by the Israelis. Up until then it had been mainly peaceful Ghandi-like protests which had exactly fuck all effect.


Hamas are zero threat to Israel and neither are any surrounding countries, countries that Israel regularly bombs and attacks, most recently Lebanon, Syria etc. Israel actually created Hamas in the first place as a tool to undermine and weken the PLO so that Israel could avoid any serious negotiations with them and play them off against Hamas to further Israel's long-term goal which is ownership of the remaining 20% of Palestine. That might sound like an absurd conspiracy theory but it's actually well-documented historical fact. Here's an article from the rabidly pro-Israel Wall Street Journal explaining about Israel promoting Hamas :

How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com

If people only get the first paragraph of that article let me know and I'll post the whole thing.

And here's Israel's former Attorney General in an Israeli paper explaining Israel's tactics over the past decades :

We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day. ...........


The intifada is the Palestinian people's war of national liberation. Historical processes teach us that no nation is prepared to live under another's domination and that a suppressed people's war of national liberation will inevitably succeed. We understand this point but choose to ignore it. We are prepared to engage in confrontation to prevent an historical process, although we are well aware that this process is anchored in the moral justification behind every people's war of national liberation and behind its right to self-determination, and although we are well aware that this process will attain its inevitable goal. .................


Suffice it to recall the killing of little children fleeing for safety; the executions, without trial, of wanted persons who were not on their way to launch a terrorist act; and the encirclements, closures and roadblocks that have turned the lives of millions into a nightmare. Even if all these actions stem from our need to defend ourselves under an occupation's conditions, the occupation's non-existence would render them unnecessary. Thus, a black flag hovers over these actions.


The war's seventh day - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News



So after creating Hamas as part of a long-term strategy Israel are now claiming that it's Hamas who are a "threat" and an entity so powerful that Israel need to blockade them to prevent them arming, which is ridiculous. Hamas long ago agreed to end all violence if Israel would life the Gaza blockade (actually it's been going on in various forms for nine years) and allow rebuilding. Israel's answer to this is to ignore the proposition, claim Hamas are a threat who can't be negotiated with and who must be blockaded/isolated. It's bs, like I pointed out in the post you didn't answer Israel just want to fuck Gaza up, put them "on a diet" and incite more reaction so they can go continue the slow-motion ethnic cleansing of the remaining 20%. It's a crazy policy and doomed to failure and the end of Israel as moderate Israeli leaders admit but the guys running Israel are far more extreme than Hamas ever were and due to Israel's political system the crazies constantly hold the balance of power there.