Why is a back-hand punch illegal?

[brocktonblockbust]

For a large part of his career, Ali used a back knuckle instead of a jab. If you watch his jab, he flicks it from the back side actually using a short back knuckle instead of a traditional jab. It had a lot more power and he could actually really hurt people with it.

[ross]

The rules in the amateurs at least is the punch has to land with the knuckle part of the glove. The reason people get away with it is sloppy reffing. Hamed used to do it loads too.

[ross]

For a large part of his career, Ali used a back knuckle instead of a jab. If you watch his jab, he flicks it from the back side actually using a short back knuckle instead of a traditional jab. It had a lot more power and he could actually really hurt people with it.

A back hand is basically an arm punch there will be no body or weight behind it. There is no way a back handed jab would hurt as much as a jab from Holmes.

[brocktonblockbust]

side of the fist would hurt the most

[Howlin Mad Missy]

side of the fist would hurt the most

you do know they wear padded gloves in boxing?

[Andre]

side of the fist would hurt the most

For sure, hard for a ref to pick on an angled hook / uppercut from in close, its a hammer fist really. You watch close and replay you see the outer wrist bone connect at times.Good cover after a push or shove away, then walk in with it. Some of Marcianos blows landed that way due to his stature and style.Those old gloves were raw leather through the sides no where near the amount of padding that was on top.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yeah I seen many Marciano punches landing that way. Tyson used to intentionally throw a left uppercut so the wristbone would strike right around the delicate blood vessels under the armpit--he said in an interview he would aim for that inner-arm because it would break blood vessels and/or hit a nerve and paralyze the whole arm.

As for Howlin Mad Missy----are you so demented you believe the padding will prevent the pain? Even the padding in your psych-ward room didn't prevent your pain. So how could a padded glove?

[Andre]

Psyche ward padding .

Funny thought, when they open the door to you, you just throw your head into the side of door.

what do they think they are dealing with nuts?

[brocktonblockbust]

oh yeah, a whole lotta cocoNUTS!!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Yeah I seen many Marciano punches landing that way. Tyson used to intentionally throw a left uppercut so the wristbone would strike right around the delicate blood vessels under the armpit--he said in an interview he would aim for that inner-arm because it would break blood vessels and/or hit a nerve and paralyze the whole arm.

As for Howlin Mad Missy----are you so demented you believe the padding will prevent the pain? Even the padding in your psych-ward room didn't prevent your pain. So how could a padded glove?

See you didn't get in Ross's face with the answer he gave. I suggest you back off.
I would give a proper answer but can't be arsed since you're fucking thick.

[ross]

Yeah I seen many Marciano punches landing that way. Tyson used to intentionally throw a left uppercut so the wristbone would strike right around the delicate blood vessels under the armpit--he said in an interview he would aim for that inner-arm because it would break blood vessels and/or hit a nerve and paralyze the whole arm.

As for Howlin Mad Missy----are you so demented you believe the padding will prevent the pain? Even the padding in your psych-ward room didn't prevent your pain. So how could a padded glove?

See you didn't get in Ross's face with the answer he gave. I suggest you back off.
I would give a proper answer but can't be arsed since you're fucking thick.

I didnt even notice that!

Yes any sort of punch could hurt if thrown with enough force and not seen coming but if you had to hit a pad to create the most force measurable with your jabbing hand, then a slap or back hand punch wouldnt be the first choice. In my experience it would go uppercut, hook then jab, in order of how much weight and drive you can put behind each shot.

[greynotsoold]

For a large part of his career, Ali used a back knuckle instead of a jab. If you watch his jab, he flicks it from the back side actually using a short back knuckle instead of a traditional jab. It had a lot more power and he could actually really hurt people with it.

A back hand is basically an arm punch there will be no body or weight behind it. There is no way a back handed jab would hurt as much as a jab from Holmes.

I'm not sure that this is correct. Consider that bringing the laft hand up and under- I think the term is a 'rising jab'- lands on the back of the knuckles. That, given the push off the rear foot, is a harder punch. That is why the old timers used it. When I was first learning about boxing, when I was 10 or so, I met a guy that had fought in the 1920s, and he showed me how to slip in back hand blows and how damaging they could be.
Of course, in those days they fought for real, with 4oz gloves, as opposed to the pillows they wear today. Given that, I can't see that there is any point in using the back of the hand.

[ross]

For a large part of his career, Ali used a back knuckle instead of a jab. If you watch his jab, he flicks it from the back side actually using a short back knuckle instead of a traditional jab. It had a lot more power and he could actually really hurt people with it.

A back hand is basically an arm punch there will be no body or weight behind it. There is no way a back handed jab would hurt as much as a jab from Holmes.

I'm not sure that this is correct. Consider that bringing the laft hand up and under- I think the term is a 'rising jab'- lands on the back of the knuckles. That, given the push off the rear foot, is a harder punch. That is why the old timers used it. When I was first learning about boxing, when I was 10 or so, I met a guy that had fought in the 1920s, and he showed me how to slip in back hand blows and how damaging they could be.
Of course, in those days they fought for real, with 4oz gloves, as opposed to the pillows they wear today. Given that, I can't see that there is any point in using the back of the hand.

Thats basically just a slap though. Yeah through thin gloves that would sting as the knuckles crack but you still wouldt be able to put as much force in as an uppercut or straight jab.

[brocktonblockbust]

true but i can see what he means about pushing off the back foot whilst swinging upward using all the top of the shoulder strength. shite, those shots could even clip you in the throat.

[ross]

I dont know about everyone else but I dont get any more power from pushing off the backfoot when using the jabbing hand. Im left handed and find and teach people to drive upwards on the leading foot for power in the jab. Theres a sequence that needs to be followed to make the most on the momentum and not waste the energy that could go in to a simple jab.

I broke my right hand by punching a wall in temper in my last season and couldnt use it even lightly for months. So I only used my left for months on the bags and the pads. My left got as good as I think it could get. I learnt how to drive properly to get force through it and it was sharp and had a loud clap sound sound when it landed on the pads or bag because the distance was right. I know not everyone is a big puncher but in my gym my jab was harder in the end than some of the other lads rights. My major problem was arm length. Holding a tape measure between the top of my right bicep where it meets the pectoral muscle down to the wrist is only 19" and im 5,9" which I think is disproportinate arm length?

If someone was taught how to use the jab so it actually hurt an opponent they wouldnt bother using it to flick out with.