Jan Zaveck vs. Andre Berto fight thread - on HBO tonight

[Galaxy]

I think Zaveck will be tougher than Berto is expecting

Berto will be coming off of his first loss to Ortiz and looking to get another strap, so it should be a good fight. I agree that Zaveck looks to be a a tough fight for Berto, definately not a gimmie.

I'm not sure how much to read into Zavecks KO of Hlatswayo, the guy was probably shot, he was stopped in 3 2 fights later by Ben Rabah. But Berto's always had a questionable chin so you never know...

[Mars_ax]

I've just never cared much for Berto, so i'll be pulling for Zaveck, I hope he doesn't get robbed here in the U.S.

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[Spicoli]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

[Galaxy]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

[Spicoli]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

[Galaxy]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

I agree, there are those who would argue that Ortiz was his 1st real test & even then Berto entered as the favourite. his progress seemed to stall & he never really improved. In saying that though remember how far limited warriors like Ward & Gatti continued! Lets hope Berto can give us half as many thrills. He has already given us the Collazo & Ortiz fights

[ruthless rocco]

this is the first proper orthodox fighter berto will have fought since 2009...
i think this could be an upset...but it'll probably be a gift win for berto with zaveck getting robbed USA styles.

[Spicoli]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

I agree, there are those who would argue that Ortiz was his 1st real test & even then Berto entered as the favourite. his progress seemed to stall & he never really improved. In saying that though remember how far limited warriors like Ward & Gatti continued! Lets hope Berto can give us half as many thrills. He has already given us the Collazo & Ortiz fights

Luv u long time bro but.....

I'm with you in regard to Ortiz being the biggest hurdle for Berto going in. It suprised me how much he was being looked at as just a stepping stone for Berto but he had serious questions with will & chin. I was more stuck on Bertos flaws. All we can hope for with Jan is a solid fight and an honest result, and for fan excitement here's to hoping Berto stays squared up, head high up and throwing big shots

[LukeH]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

yeah but the fight with Ortiz was entertaining, if Berto can put on that sort of showing then I'd be alright with him headlining

Oh def entertaining yeh. But if he puts on a couple more showings like that one vs Ortiz he'll be on FNF co features and working a part time job just to pay the bills very shortly.

I've rarely seen a fighter who has been pushed so far so quick but is still so green in many ways. He needs to hone and ground his fundamentals or he'll only be treading water till the end.

The only problem is it's somtimes a double edged sword... If you take your time trying to build someone up and develop skills certain people will call you out for not stepping up fast enough, which as a fighter you would imagine wouldn't be nice thing to hear and depending on the bottle of the promotoer to ignore the fans and do whats best in the name of development it could force them to step up quicker than would be ideal. On the other hand you reach a certain level and then get thrown in with no time to improve and kinda stagnate?

Then there is money and we all know everyone loves a fast buck one way or another...


I'm mashed might have repeated myself, can't be bothered to read through and check, sorry.

[ICB]

A link would be appreciated fellas looking forward to this one.

[Diane]

They are importing Zaveck strictly for his trinket and if he wins (by ko) don't expect to see him again on HBO. Berto doesn't belong in a follow up main event let alone a trinket affair next fight out I believe. Personally I hope Jan balls him up like dirty laundry and pitches him into the pile of force fed hype jobs.

I completely agree!!!

I've never liked Berto, and HBO kisses his overpaid ass, because he's one of Al Haymon's boys.

If Zaveck doesn't KO him, he's screwed if it's a close fight.

[killersheep]

I think Zaveck will be tougher than Berto is expecting

Berto will be coming off of his first loss to Ortiz and looking to get another strap, so it should be a good fight. I agree that Zaveck looks to be a a tough fight for Berto, definately not a gimmie.

I'm not sure how much to read into Zavecks KO of Hlatswayo, the guy was probably shot, he was stopped in 3 2 fights later by Ben Rabah. But Berto's always had a questionable chin so you never know...

Yeah getting KOed that early by Ben Rabah is saying something, I mean the guy is a great boxer, but no killer instinct and prefers to stay outside as much as possible.

I haven't watched Zaveck in a while, but if I recall correctly he has some sharp combos, but lacks on the footwork a bit. Toe to toe with Berto you are in a pure hand speed game and as long as Berto doesn't get shy and tie up he should win the exchanges pretty handily. If Zaveck can keep Berto turning I wouldn't consider it an upset really, but he could win this.