Mayweather

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Without starting another thread can Floyd really attract PPV fights without fighting a Mexican opponent normally on Mexican Day or PPV star with a huge following like Hatton. What if Floyd fought Clottey, would that be worthy of a PPV?

That's a good one. I never thought of that.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I seriously don't see anyone beating him, not even Manny.

Maybe so.

If only Mayweather is thinking the way you do, then he would not have asked for that damn (currently not required) drug test.

It is not currently required the same way Manny's demands are not REQUIRED either, yet, Floyd did agree to every single demand Manny and his team asked from him. Floyd asks for one single demand he was also willing to go through and we heard all kinds of contradicting excuses from Manny, his team, and Arum.

Can Floyd lose? Of course. I think age takes its toll on every athlete, any sport. I can see Floyd losing to Manny as well as much as I see Manny losing to Floyd. Well said PSL.

Okey, let's go over Manny's allege demands. If I recall it right, it's the glove size, ring size and the purse split.

Manny allegedly asked for the 8 oz gloves. Those were the same glove size used when Floyd fought JMM which was prior to that negotiation. Floyd has the upper hand to demand what size of glove they use in the JMM fight and opted for the 8 oz. So how did he give Pac a favor by agreeing to the 8 oz gloves?

Manny allegedly asked for a smaller ring size than what Floyd prefers. Does anyone here even know what's the ring size that were used in Floyd's previous fights? Is anyone here even sure that Floyd hasn't fought in the smaller ring size that was requested? Ring size is up to the agreement of both boxers and it is being made to appear that Floyd did Pac a favor by agreeing to the smaller ring. Did you even consider that Manny may have agreed to fight Floyd even with the bigger ring if Floyd had refused?

Floyd was said to have done Pac a favor by agreeing to the 50/50 purse split. That is what their purse split should really be, in the first place!

Did I miss any other Pac demands here?

What Floyd demanded on the other hand is not required by the commission and something that he hasn't even requested before? They were unable to agree halfway so I consider the failure of making the fight happen as being the fault of both.

Fast forward to sometime recent. Pac agreed to the test but Floyd still would not fight him and went on vacation. How come?

[Chino]

Okey, let's go over Manny's allege demands. If I recall it right, it's the glove size, ring size and the purse split.

And the $1,000,000 demand for extra pounds away from the weight limit. Something not sanctioned or anything but Floyd agreed just fine.

Did you even consider that Manny may have agreed to fight Floyd even with the bigger ring if Floyd had refused?

“May” agreed but he asked for a smaller ring and Floyd accepted.

Floyd was said to have done Pac a favor by agreeing to the 50/50 purse split. That is what their purse split should really be, in the first place!

And I agree with you on how the purse should be 50/50 but Floyd is well known for always asking for the bigger paycheck, yet, with Pac, he agreed on the 50/50 just fine.

Did I miss any other Pac demands here?

The $1,000,000 I mentioned on the first paragraph.

Fast forward to sometime recent. Pac agreed to the test but Floyd still would not fight him and went on vacation. How come?

Pac continues to “agree” to all kinds of tests except random with no cut-off weeks whatsoever. He wants a week or two of no tests for all the reasons we already heard from him, Roach, and Arum.

[Dench]

Manny throwing a 1000 punches a round!
Mannys left hand will sting and wear him down!
What do think floyd will be doing during this fight..just being defensive!
He won every rd with marquez easily and manny struggles with marquez!
There is no way a boxer looses to a fighter.. Thats why calzaghe would have beaten froch..better boxing skills.  (flamesuit)

Yes, right, Floyd won every round with Marquez and pacman draws and won a close one with the same guy. Thats a fact.

Pacman lives and dies with his aggressive offense back then. Marquez was a smart defensive tactician who relies on his effective counter-punching. Thats the reason why Pacman's style wont work well with Marquez. The result were very close contests, yet very exciting. Their up coming fight will tell is Manny really improves and if his improvement is enough to take out Marquez convincingly.

Floyd fought Marquez at welter on a catch weight of 144, and even came overweight. All advantages real and imaginable belongs to Floyd. He fought a bloated counter puncher, and Marquez, being mexican, was forced to go on offensive to lure Floyd out of his cover. When he did that, Floyd hits him clean. And so he won every round. Floyd never attacked Marquez on that fight, he just waited for the Mexican to come and attack him, and hit him back while moving away. A great strategy after all.

In boxing, there is no perfect theory which can be applied to all fights. That makes boxing very uncertain and exciting. Tyson got beaten when everybody thinks he's unbeatable, Lennox was KO'd by a fighter that was believed to be no match for him, and so the list may go on...

A boxer may beat a fighter in every round, but a fighter can beat boxer and most of the times, its via a KO out of nowhere.

[Dench]

Without starting another thread can Floyd really attract PPV fights without fighting a Mexican opponent normally on Mexican Day or PPV star with a huge following like Hatton. What if Floyd fought Clottey, would that be worthy of a PPV?

That's a good one. I never thought of that.

I think if American public will back Floyd up, it will have a good PPV result... Thats the reason why he is calling out all American to back him up.. here's what he says on an ESPN interview:

Speaking with ESNNewsReporting.com recently, here is what Mayweather had to say:
“I’m an American citizen and I want the American citizens to stand behind me. If you are the best, step up and take the test. That’s all I’m saying. If you don’t have nothing to hide, take the test. I represent this country and I want this country to get behind me. There’s no country like America, so whoever’s facing Floyd Mayweather, tell them they have to step up and take the test.”

More on this here:
Floyd Mayweather Trying to Rally Americans vs. Manny Pacquiao

[InTheNeutralCorner]

And the $1,000,000 demand for extra pounds away from the weight limit. Something not sanctioned or anything but Floyd agreed just fine.

This is because of Floyd's recent violation of the contracted weight limit as exhibited in his fight with JMM. The proposed Pacquiao-Mayweather fight was to be at 147 lbs and Mayweather weighed 146 in his fight prior to that so making that contracted weight should not be a problem for Floyd. The $1,000,000 demand is to prevent him from making a mockery of the contracted weight.

"May” agreed but he asked for a smaller ring and Floyd accepted.

Did we ever hear any issue from him not wanting to fight in a smaller ring? Do you know which size rings he fought in his previous fights?

And I agree with you on how the purse should be 50/50 but Floyd is well known for always asking for the bigger paycheck, yet, with Pac, he agreed on the 50/50 just fine.

Because Floyd could get away with it against every opponent but not with Pacquiao.

The $1,000,000 I mentioned on the first paragraph.

And which I have addressed.

Pac continues to “agree” to all kinds of tests except random with no cut-off weeks whatsoever. He wants a week or two of no tests for all the reasons we already heard from him, Roach, and Arum.

Pacquiao agreed to the drug test without limit in this video. Floyd could have agreed to the fight and see if Manny is bluffing.

[Chino]

The $1,000,000 demand is to prevent him from making a mockery of the contracted weight.

You’re right but it is still not a sanctioned thing. Still, Floyd accepted that without any excuses. The random blood test with no cut off time whatsoever is to prevent BOTH OF THEM from juicing. Fair game for BOTH. Yet, you know the things Pac, Roach, and Arum said to not take the test.

Did we ever hear any issue from him not wanting to fight in a smaller ring? Do you know which size rings he fought in his previous fights?

I don’t know the size of the ring he fought before. We didn’t hear any issue from him about wanting or not wanting to fight in the ring Pac requested, among the other requests. Floyd made only one single demand that would be applied to both and Pac, Roach, and Arum didn’t like it.

Because Floyd could get away with it against every opponent but not with Pacquiao

Same reason why Pac fights guys who won’t ask of him for random blood tests with no cut off time whatsoever, because Pac can get away with not having his blood tested randomly. So Pac can get away with it. Floyd couldn’t get it his way when it came to the purse, yet, he accepted. Pac can’t get away with not having his blood tested, and he refuses to sign the fight.
[quote]Pacquiao agreed to the drug test without limit in this video. Floyd could have agreed to the fight and see if Manny is bluffing.
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I’ll watch the video when I get home as YouTube is blocked in the office but so far Pac says one thing and Roach, Ariza, Arum, etc. are the ones that for one reason or the other want to prevent Manny from getting his blood tested randomly. I’ve seen Pac said he’s ready for no limit blood/urine tests…after the fight or with X amount of cutoff weeks, etc. I’ll watch the video later tonight. Other guys have accepted the random blood tests just fine and even guys that want to challenge Floyd in the ring have said clearly they are ready to take random blood tests with no problem. Even fellow Pinoy Nonito Donaire has said he has no problems getting his blood tested randomly 365 days of the year 24/7. Amhir Kahn has said the same thing with no “buts” or “ifs”.

[Matias64]

I dont like Floyd either but i'd hate to see him lose any other way than a severe beating in an all out war or totally outpointed or both.
If he gets tagged and Ortiz gets in a lucky shot, our world will be full of " Oh yeah buts'.

I want him tested out to the max not beat on an off day or by luck.

I agree.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I dont like Floyd either but i'd hate to see him lose any other way than a severe beating in an all out war or totally outpointed or both.
If he gets tagged and Ortiz gets in a lucky shot, our world will be full of " Oh yeah buts'.

I want him tested out to the max not beat on an off day or by luck.

I'm alright with Ortiz beating Floyd on an off day or by luck. We might not have that opportunity again. Let Floyd be tested out to the max some other time.

[Chino]

I wonder if Floyd will get credit for winning or if we will hear “…Victor was too young and inexperienced…there were reports that his back was hurt during training…etc”

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I wonder if Floyd will get credit for winning or if we will hear “…Victor was too young and inexperienced…there were reports that his back was hurt during training…etc”

Maybe a little.
If he wants to get a lot of credit, he has to fight Pacquiao or Martinez.

[:::PSL:::]

Ortiz will lose this fight because he doesn't have the best team. And he doesn't have the athleticism to beat someone like Floyd.

I bet Mosely would beat Ortiz too.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I dont think so. Like CFH said, he could be another Hopkins... We're not talking about no Roy jones here who became nothing once he got old and didnt have the fundamentals to fall back on.. Floyd is well schooled and he can stay like fine wine as long he doesn't lose hunger.

perfect answer

only one that beats floyd is himself..period

I'll have the same conclusion IF he beats Manny first.

See. Floyd knows his shoulder roll defense technique would be completely useless against Pac. How can Floyd win against a guy who's got the ability to unleash 80-100 punches per round with such accuracy and precision?

How can manny win against a taller/ longer, better balanced, and better boxer with the ability to land crisp punches at over 60% accuracy all without being hit flush himself?