Would fighters like Bruno,Shavers,Norton,Ruddock be Champ today?

[Beanflicker]

Shavers and Norton would get smoked by a lot of the top crop.

Why does Shavers get so much credit? Sure he punched harder than fuck, but he had a suspect chin, heart and cardio.

[ICB]

Shavers and Norton would get smoked by a lot of the top crop.

Why does Shavers get so much credit? Sure he punched harder than fuck, but he had a suspect chin, heart and cardio.

Because he had some good performances, he almost stopped Larry Holmes. Could of won a decision vs Muhammad Ali, and stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, both very good fighters.

[ICB]

yes but he's fucking massive and a decent boxer

goes a long way

But what's his best win though ? Samuel Peter ? he's only faced one elite Heavyweight and lost, and has mostly fought chumps except for a few decent fighters. People are trying to discredit the old fighters. But how many of the so called contenders in this era would even be top 10 in any other era ?

[brocktonblockbust]

Don't knock Earnie, Earnie was the MAN. "Responsible for more Blackouts than Con-Edison!" Earnie was the most feared puncher ever, atleast as feared as Foreman and Marciano. BRUTAL MOTHERFOCKING PUNCHER HE WAS. Check this out:

[BIG H]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

[brocktonblockbust]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

I wouldnt even say they were middel of the road, H. But I kno what you mean. And you forgot Mike Weaver who almost beat Holmes as well. I think they all beat everybody V fought, and I even think Witherspoon and a younger Mercer beats Lewis, and a focused McCall beats lewis too. Moorer would get smoked with his weak chin however.

[erics44]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

i agree but it isnt neccesarily about who vitali has fought so much as how he has won

in all the fights i have seen hin in and there has been a fair few i dont remember him losing many rounds

he lost a couple of tight ones to lews and was losing the 1st round to solis and that is it

appart from against bird obviously but he had a good excuse

he has won every other fight and every round in all of those fights

[ICB]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

i agree but it isnt neccesarily about who vitali has fought so much as how he has won

in all the fights i have seen hin in and there has been a fair few i dont remember him losing many rounds

he lost a couple of tight ones to lews and was losing the 1st round to solis and that is it

appart from against bird obviously but he had a good excuse

he has won every other fight and every round in all of those fights

He lost to Chris Byrd don't forget.

[BIG H]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

i agree but it isnt neccesarily about who vitali has fought so much as how he has won

in all the fights i have seen hin in and there has been a fair few i dont remember him losing many rounds

he lost a couple of tight ones to lews and was losing the 1st round to solis and that is it

appart from against bird obviously but he had a good excuse

he has won every other fight and every round in all of those fights

He lost to Chris Byrd don't forget.

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[ICB]

I think Vitali Klitschko is very overrated.

I think we just don't know how good he is, because his resume (not his fault) absolutely stinks!! When I watch him I think he looks awful. He looks like Ivan Drago chasing Apollo Creed around in the first round of that fight. He could be one of the greatest ever, but he could just be very average and have only done what many others could have done if they had been around in this era.

If you think about it, would any of these (middel of the road) guys have lost to anybody (except Lewis) that Vitali has fought??

Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Oliver McCall

i agree but it isnt neccesarily about who vitali has fought so much as how he has won

in all the fights i have seen hin in and there has been a fair few i dont remember him losing many rounds

he lost a couple of tight ones to lews and was losing the 1st round to solis and that is it

appart from against bird obviously but he had a good excuse

he has won every other fight and every round in all of those fights

He lost to Chris Byrd don't forget.

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Yea i wern't really paying attention my bad, but he spelt it wrong aswell so it threw me off. But Chris Byrd was coming on and did win quite a few rounds, the reason Vitali Klitschko's shoulder messed up was because he was missing alot of punches, so thats a pretty legit win for Chris Byrd IMO.

[erics44]

That could have caused the injury

Considering how dominant in all of his other fights vitali has been I doubt it, I would say he was injured

[fairyrak]

no, they wouldn't, wait until the klitschkos are 46 years old for a more fair chance, because anyone can beat anyone given an appropriate difference of age. From babies, prime to old men. Some boxers like to fight shot boxers dissimulatedly.

[El Kabong]

I really don't see how any of the fighters listed would be title holders or champions now. Shavers could be cruiserweight champ, but his cardio and chin were so poor.

Ken Norton would get blasted by Vitali and he would do well vs Wlad because although Norton was strong and he used that strength vs Ali and Holmes, Wlad is just as strong if not stronger and has been known to bully his opponents into range.

The other guys were just not as consistent.

Ron Lyle may have had a shot vs a younger Wladimir who was more willing to trade, I see Ron Lyle being able to pull off a Brewster/Purrity type upset if there would be one person who could, but even then it would be quite a long shot.

[Beanflicker]

Because he had some good performances, he almost stopped Larry Holmes. Could of won a decision vs Muhammad Ali, and stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, both very good fighters.

He landed his huge missle right hand against Larry, but pretty much lost every round other than that.

His fight agaisnt Muhammad Ali was probably the best he's EVER been, hardest he ever trained, best shape he was ever in, and I still say Muhammad beat him clearly, and we're talking about a well passed it Ali.

He had the power to beat anyone on any given night but I think he's overrated as hell. People remember him beating on an old Ali and dropping Holmes, but no one remembers the Quarry/Mercado/Cobb/Lyle fights where he showed absolutely no stamina, heart or chin. There was a good reason he never won a title.

[erics44]

I really don't see how any of the fighters listed would be title holders or champions now. Shavers could be cruiserweight champ, but his cardio and chin were so poor.

Ken Norton would get blasted by Vitali and he would do well vs Wlad because although Norton was strong and he used that strength vs Ali and Holmes, Wlad is just as strong if not stronger and has been known to bully his opponents into range.

The other guys were just not as consistent.

Ron Lyle may have had a shot vs a younger Wladimir who was more willing to trade, I see Ron Lyle being able to pull off a Brewster/Purrity type upset if there would be one person who could, but even then it would be quite a long shot.

apart from Bruno obviously