Will Lucian Bute be the 2nd guy to knock Johnson out?

[Fenster]

Froch-vs-Bute punching power? Common opponents - Sergey Tatevosyan and Brian Magee.

Result - Bute beats Tatevosyan UD. Froch beats him by sparkage KO 2. Bute stops Magee in 10. Froch, with a broken thumb, puts a prime Magee to sleep in the 11th.

On all known collateral form Froch punches harder that Bute. Fact.

[Dark Lord Al]

Froch-vs-Bute punching power? Common opponents - Sergey Tatevosyan and Brian Magee.

Result - Bute beats Tatevosyan UD. Froch beats him by sparkage KO 2. Bute stops Magee in 10. Froch, with a broken thumb, puts a prime Magee to sleep in the 11th.

On all known collateral form Froch punches harder that Bute. Fact.

Fenster you always come up with the facts , " FACT "!

[erics44]

Bute is currently one of the most overrated fighters in boxing

Some people even consider him above ward and froch in th smwa

If he stops johnson it will go a long way to justifying this

Its highly unlikely tho, he should win a descision

[Rantcatrat]

Froch-vs-Bute punching power? Common opponents - Sergey Tatevosyan and Brian Magee.

Result - Bute beats Tatevosyan UD. Froch beats him by sparkage KO 2. Bute stops Magee in 10. Froch, with a broken thumb, puts a prime Magee to sleep in the 11th.

On all known collateral form Froch punches harder that Bute. Fact.

Why do you think Magee was at his prime when he fought Froch? It's completely subjective.

1. Magee had his best wins after the Froch fight and before the Bute fight. Bute knocked him before Froch did. Scoreboard.
2. Froch fought Tatevosyan immediately after Bute dominated him, which likely played a role in Froch's win.

Thus, objectively, being fair, based on common opponents, they're punching power is even. Based on KO percentage and KO's in their last 10 fights, Bute wins hands down.

Not to mention, in his fight against Magee, Froch was actually losing on all three judge's scorecards. In his fight against Bute, Magee didn't win one round. Magee has stated that he was at his best before the Bute fight and was too inexperienced when he fought Froch. In addition, since the Bute fight he also won some organization's trinket.

[FinitoElDinamita]

I took a few minutes to rate their punching power and......

Bute definitely punches harder than Froch... no question about it..

[Tam Seddon]

Compare and contrast the quality of carls and lucians competition. Carl wins hands down in terms of facing quality of opposition and if lucian had fought who carl had fought he would have gone the distance with all of them too.

Its a tough question to say who has the better power, I've got an idea...why don't they both face each other? Or isn't Bute ready to face a fighter with true quality yet? Johnson on paper IMO is his biggest fight to date and Johnson has Been beaten a lot recently. Bute needs to man up and face better quality of opposition instead of facing people he knows he will beat.

I know Bute is a good fighter and I am not doubting that what so ever, he just really needs to fighter better fighters. Now the super 6 is over there is no excuse, he's spent too much time in Canada facing easy fighters he needs to get to the US and fight a real name before he gets any recognition. Carl hasn't ducked anyone and has earnt his shot at the super 6 final and that proves he's better than Bute until they get in the ring and fight each other.

[Nameless]

Compare and contrast the quality of carls and lucians competition. Carl wins hands down in terms of facing quality of opposition and if lucian had fought who carl had fought he would have gone the distance with all of them too.

Its a tough question to say who has the better power, I've got an idea...why don't they both face each other? Or isn't Bute ready to face a fighter with true quality yet? Johnson on paper IMO is his biggest fight to date and Johnson has Been beaten a lot recently. Bute needs to man up and face better quality of opposition instead of facing people he knows he will beat.

I know Bute is a good fighter and I am not doubting that what so ever, he just really needs to fighter better fighters. Now the super 6 is over there is no excuse, he's spent too much time in Canada facing easy fighters he needs to get to the US and fight a real name before he gets any recognition. Carl hasn't ducked anyone and has earnt his shot at the super 6 final and that proves he's better than Bute until they get in the ring and fight each other.

He wanted to face Kessler but Kessler backed off to fight a much easier fighter in Sartison. He then was supposed to fight Pavlik, the deal was inked but Pavlik made a fool of himself and backed off. Meanwhile, Froch, Hopkins, Pascal and are were all unavailable. It''s not the guy's fault, really. Mendy was the mandatory and they didn't want to fight him but did chose to while everybody else were unavailable to have one full year clear of shitty mandatory.

As for the power, Froch thumb excuse is a bit funny plus you gotta look at other facts; nobody did knock out Andrade ever... Bute did. Fulgencio Zuniga has only been knocked out twice in his career... by a Prime healthy Pavlik and... Bute, the same Zuniga that lost a UD against the very dangerous Cloud at 175... Now look at the % of ko both have, end of story. Thus said, I'd love to see Bute against Froch next and to then see him fight Ward (assuming that Froch will lose against Ward, that would make a super promotion and pre-"big" showdown. All these interesting fighters should finally be available next so we should be able to see what we want to see real soon.

[Tam Seddon]

Compare and contrast the quality of carls and lucians competition. Carl wins hands down in terms of facing quality of opposition and if lucian had fought who carl had fought he would have gone the distance with all of them too.

Its a tough question to say who has the better power, I've got an idea...why don't they both face each other? Or isn't Bute ready to face a fighter with true quality yet? Johnson on paper IMO is his biggest fight to date and Johnson has Been beaten a lot recently. Bute needs to man up and face better quality of opposition instead of facing people he knows he will beat.

I know Bute is a good fighter and I am not doubting that what so ever, he just really needs to fighter better fighters. Now the super 6 is over there is no excuse, he's spent too much time in Canada facing easy fighters he needs to get to the US and fight a real name before he gets any recognition. Carl hasn't ducked anyone and has earnt his shot at the super 6 final and that proves he's better than Bute until they get in the ring and fight each other.

He wanted to face Kessler but Kessler backed off to fight a much easier fighter in Sartison. He then was supposed to fight Pavlik, the deal was inked but Pavlik made a fool of himself and backed off. Meanwhile, Froch, Hopkins, Pascal and are were all unavailable. It''s not the guy's fault, really. Mendy was the mandatory and they didn't want to fight him but did chose to while everybody else were unavailable to have one full year clear of shitty mandatory.

As for the power, Froch thumb excuse is a bit funny plus you gotta look at other facts; nobody did knock out Andrade ever... Bute did. Fulgencio Zuniga has only been knocked out twice in his career... by a Prime healthy Pavlik and... Bute, the same Zuniga that lost a UD against the very dangerous Cloud at 175... Now look at the % of ko both have, end of story. Thus said, I'd love to see Bute against Froch next and to then see him fight Ward (assuming that Froch will lose against Ward, that would make a super promotion and pre-"big" showdown. All these interesting fighters should finally be available next so we should be able to see what we want to see real soon.

Kessler coming off the JC loss probably wanted to rebuild his confidence and fighting Bute would have been a big ask IMO. Still shouldn't have ducked him though I agree but you would have to see it from his eyes.

Pavlik isn't a world class 168 fighter though and he might have a name but as you said he's messed it up and as far as I'm concerned that last bullshit with him pulling out has really dropped my opinion of him. He's got a lot of rebuilding to do and with all the shit going on in his personal life I don't see him being a force like he use to be.

Those are only two fighters though that Bute should have fought and didn't. I just think he really does need to up his game now, it's time to see the real Bute and see if he is on Froch and Wards level. He has the potential no doubt but unless he fights someone of real class to prove he's only looking good against faded or easy opposition and IMO that doesn't merit you the best in the weight class. Many people do rate him the best but until he fights someone with real quality its beyond me how someone can rate him first in the weightclass.

Let's hope in the near future these fights do materialise. There is no excuse for them not to now.

[Rantcatrat]

Compare and contrast the quality of carls and lucians competition. Carl wins hands down in terms of facing quality of opposition and if lucian had fought who carl had fought he would have gone the distance with all of them too.

Its a tough question to say who has the better power, I've got an idea...why don't they both face each other? Or isn't Bute ready to face a fighter with true quality yet? Johnson on paper IMO is his biggest fight to date and Johnson has Been beaten a lot recently. Bute needs to man up and face better quality of opposition instead of facing people he knows he will beat.

I know Bute is a good fighter and I am not doubting that what so ever, he just really needs to fighter better fighters. Now the super 6 is over there is no excuse, he's spent too much time in Canada facing easy fighters he needs to get to the US and fight a real name before he gets any recognition. Carl hasn't ducked anyone and has earnt his shot at the super 6 final and that proves he's better than Bute until they get in the ring and fight each other.

I don't know what the point of your post was. It's like everyone from Nottingham or a fan of Froch is offended by anything positive said about Bute. They aren't even slated to fight yet!

Hands down Froch has fought better competition. No one in their right mind would argue otherwise. In fact, Carl Froch has fought better opposition than Andre Ward. It's not that Bute has fought only tomato cans either; I don't consider Zuniga, Bika or Andrade to be chumps.

All this about Bute not fighting good opposition is hogwash. He didn't fight good opposition because all the big players were in the S6. Name one fighter he has ducked. Consider that when the S6 ended who Bute immediately make offers to: Kessler, Pavlik, and Johnson. If you consider that Johnson really finished in third place in the S6 with all the injuries, Bute is fighting the best he could fight now.

Currently, at 168, the rankings should be in order: Ward, Froch, Bute, Johnson, Kessler (although I think his career at the top is over with injuries), Stieglitz, and Bika.

Froch has a good punch and Bute has an equally good punch. It may be that Bute has a bit more speed behind his punches so they are more powerful than Froch's. It may be that Froch is naturally stronger. There is no way to know unless you asked their common opponents. We'll see what Johnson says.

The way I see things playing out is that Ward beats Froch on the cards in a tough, grueling fight where Froch isn't outclassed but is beat by a few rounds. Then Ward and Bute (assuming Bute can get by Johnson) can't agree to terms and Bute will face Froch who has less leverage because he just lost. So, my bet is we'll see who wins between Bute and Froch in early-mid next year.

Admittedly, this all kind of reminds me of when Erics44 went on and on about David Haye when Haye hadn't fought anyone at all at heavyweight and those fights were boring as all hell. Erics was going completely on potential. In order to not fall into the category of irrationally believing in a guy who ultimately disappoints, I should probably wait to see what happens this weekend against Johnson. Johnson brings out the truth with everyone.

[Tam Seddon]

Compare and contrast the quality of carls and lucians competition. Carl wins hands down in terms of facing quality of opposition and if lucian had fought who carl had fought he would have gone the distance with all of them too.

Its a tough question to say who has the better power, I've got an idea...why don't they both face each other? Or isn't Bute ready to face a fighter with true quality yet? Johnson on paper IMO is his biggest fight to date and Johnson has Been beaten a lot recently. Bute needs to man up and face better quality of opposition instead of facing people he knows he will beat.

I know Bute is a good fighter and I am not doubting that what so ever, he just really needs to fighter better fighters. Now the super 6 is over there is no excuse, he's spent too much time in Canada facing easy fighters he needs to get to the US and fight a real name before he gets any recognition. Carl hasn't ducked anyone and has earnt his shot at the super 6 final and that proves he's better than Bute until they get in the ring and fight each other.

I don't know what the point of your post was. It's like everyone from Nottingham or a fan of Froch is offended by anything positive said about Bute. They aren't even slated to fight yet!

Hands down Froch has fought better competition. No one in their right mind would argue otherwise. In fact, Carl Froch has fought better opposition than Andre Ward. It's not that Bute has fought only tomato cans either; I don't consider Zuniga, Bika or Andrade to be chumps.

All this about Bute not fighting good opposition is hogwash. He didn't fight good opposition because all the big players were in the S6. Name one fighter he has ducked. Consider that when the S6 ended who Bute immediately make offers to: Kessler, Pavlik, and Johnson. If you consider that Johnson really finished in third place in the S6 with all the injuries, Bute is fighting the best he could fight now.

Currently, at 168, the rankings should be in order: Ward, Froch, Bute, Johnson, Kessler (although I think his career at the top is over with injuries), Stieglitz, and Bika.

Froch has a good punch and Bute has an equally good punch. It may be that Bute has a bit more speed behind his punches so they are more powerful than Froch's. It may be that Froch is naturally stronger. There is no way to know unless you asked their common opponents. We'll see what Johnson says.

The way I see things playing out is that Ward beats Froch on the cards in a tough, grueling fight where Froch isn't outclassed but is beat by a few rounds. Then Ward and Bute (assuming Bute can get by Johnson) can't agree to terms and Bute will face Froch who has less leverage because he just lost. So, my bet is we'll see who wins between Bute and Froch in early-mid next year.

Admittedly, this all kind of reminds me of when Erics44 went on and on about David Haye when Haye hadn't fought anyone at all at heavyweight and those fights were boring as all hell. Erics was going completely on potential. In order to not fall into the category of irrationally believing in a guy who ultimately disappoints, I should probably wait to see what happens this weekend against Johnson. Johnson brings out the truth with everyone.

Agreed that he does need to get through the Johnson test there is never an easy nights work with Johnson. I do think Bute handles him though by a hard fought UD, probably quite similar to the Froch fight.

I do admit that with the super 6 on it was harder for Bute to get a shot at the elite of 168. But to his credit bar the andrade Hickup which he did avenge, he has looked quality in his fights and will no doubt be the hardest test around for Ward and Froch after the final. My feelings towards Bute is that he has missed out In taking part of a great tournament that would have been even better for the fans had he taken part. It is a shame, but as you said before he now has the potential to be matched against strong fighters and I hope he does. He's 31 now and needs to push on with the best. Let's hope there is no bullshit promotion politics and we can see the best continuing to fight the best. The 168 weight class has had some great fights and I hope Bute gets in the mix.

[gest12645]

I can surely see a KO for Bute here. I put a few $$ on it also. Johnson is getting older and Bute is a big puncher . Altough a UD seems more probable , I wouldnt count a Ko out for Bute.

Hey, if Johnson catches Bute with a big shot, he can get the KO

but, i'm saying Bute UD

[erics44]

I can surely see a KO for Bute here. I put a few $$ on it also. Johnson is getting older and Bute is a big puncher . Altough a UD seems more probable , I wouldnt count a Ko out for Bute.

Hey, if Johnson catches Bute with a big shot, he can get the KO

but, i'm saying Bute UD

that isnt a great bet mate

there is more chance of johnson winning the fight than bute winning by KO

in order of chances of stuff happening in this fight i would say

1st Bute on points
2nd Johnson by KO
3rd Johnson on points
4th Bute by KO

id say 1st is a long distance from 2nd and 4th is a long distance from 3rd