I saw it like Lederman did.

[chris6878]

How could anyone give Pacquaio round 6? Manny won the fight, but he was lacklustre and not as focused as i have seen him before. I had it 115-113

He was focused on landing his right hook but other than that he was the same old manny who fought marquez back in 2004. He was predictably throwing the same double jab and left straight when he got frustrated and was hesitant after getting tagged with marquez's counter hooks. Between spurts of 2004 aggressive manny and an improved footwork and dodging ability he was still the same old pac who fought against the previous 2 iterations of marquez. Only now he wasn't able to kd jmm.

Yes he was the same old Manny who has had trouble with Marquez before, but didn't appear to have learned anything? Where were the angles, the elusiveness that were there in fights against Cotto, DLH and Mosley? Pacquaio played into Marquez's hands, he almost lost this fight, i scored it for Manny, but was in fact expecting a JMM verdict. I hate scoring even rounds so i went for Manny in round 1 and 11, those rounds could easily have gone to Marquez.
Maybe Floyd will now think the Pacman is on the slide and take up the offer? I actually think boxing will be better off seeing these two go at it one more time. Floyd needs to look at Cotto or Martinez, unless he fights Pacman next then that pay day has vanished. Pacquaio showed some signs of wear and tear in this fight and his demise is imminent. 2012 should him out.

The elusiveness was very much there. Go back and rematch. PAC had jmm punching air on many occasions. I had it as either a draw or a close win for manny. I watched it and did a lot of slo motion viewing. He was disappearing often on jmm after he landed. Jmm was doing a lot of good countering. But mannies aggression and clean punches plus the fact that jmm was backing up won PAC the fight. Many rounds PAC lost and just didn't land. But when he did land he landed.

[Prosinecki]

Many rounds PAC lost and just didn't land. But when he did land he landed.

Hard to argue with that...

[cnote111]

Ok i guess i have to put my input being that i am DIE HARD PAC FAN.

AS A PACFAN: I smile at the W and I am happy we got it, just like moth other die hard fans would. If my favorite sports team gets a bad call to go there way and they end up winning the game because of it.. I will take that win and move onto next week.

AS A BOXING FAN: I will not argue any point given on why JMM should've won. I can not argue the reasoning behind it and it would be silly of me to deny those points...Will i personally admit JMM won?? Nope, i don't have to because the judges thought otherwise.

AS A BOXING COACH: I can make a case for both sides on why they won the fight, i thought it was extremely close just like the last 2 fights and i would've excepted the outcome for JMM just as i did for my boy PAC.


Silver Lining: I would love a 4th Match - and PBF will most likely take this fight now without the tests... So i'm content.

[OumaFan]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

wtf bro, really, you just contradict yourself as do all Pacquiao fanboys, you JUST SAID THAT YOU THOUGH MARQUEZ WON 8 ROUNDS LEGIT, so if he won 8 rounds LEGIT AS YOU SAID to Manny's 4 rounds, HOW THE HELL IS THAT NOT DOING ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BELT FROM THE CHAMPION? fuck me, is the only way to win a championship against Manny "special rules" Pacquiao is to either KO him knock him down in every fucking round to win a decision...

[MMASUX]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

wtf bro, really, you just contradict yourself as do all Pacquiao fanboys, you JUST SAID THAT YOU THOUGH MARQUEZ WON 8 ROUNDS LEGIT, so if he won 8 rounds LEGIT AS YOU SAID to Manny's 4 rounds, HOW THE HELL IS THAT NOT DOING ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BELT FROM THE CHAMPION? fuck me, is the only way to win a championship against Manny "special rules" Pacquiao is to either KO him knock him down in every fucking round to win a decision...

Elterrible, these pactards will never get it. JMM could have won every round and it wouldn't stop them from believing he won or going out and buying his new CD.

[Andre]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

Haha Manny for President! Yay Yay Yay.

[narsman]

Haha, you guys are so pathetic. You have no clue Pac made it look this way so Floyd would be convinced that he can beat Manny hoping that floyd will finally step up and take the fwockin fight. Was it a close fight? Of course it was. Did jmm clearly win every round? Hell no! Was Manny the aggressor? Yes! On eve rounds woukld you give the round to the aggressor? Go ask Ledderman and the judges. Bottom line, your whining won't change the outcome of the fight, so suck it up!

Wow. Just wow. The epitome of pactardation. "Manny consciously made a decision to look weak weak so he could get Floyd into the ring... and Manny looked so strong and aggressive that he won the fight."
If your goal is to muddy the waters: good job! You've at least succeeded at that. Pacquiao's reputation is build on the fanboy's circular logic. Go to bed kid.

exactly! that's it! we need to get rid of Manny Pacquiao for the good of the people, cause he's obviously causing mental retardation to his general fanbase!!! hahahahaha

And you're quite stupid for taking that seriously.

By the way, your boy cotto will go down again. Tony will beat him senseless.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Haha, you guys are so pathetic. You have no clue Pac made it look this way so Floyd would be convinced that he can beat Manny hoping that floyd will finally step up and take the fwockin fight. Was it a close fight? Of course it was. Did jmm clearly win every round? Hell no! Was Manny the aggressor? Yes! On eve rounds woukld you give the round to the aggressor? Go ask Ledderman and the judges. Bottom line, your whining won't change the outcome of the fight, so suck it up!

Wow. Just wow. The epitome of pactardation. "Manny consciously made a decision to look weak weak so he could get Floyd into the ring... and Manny looked so strong and aggressive that he won the fight."
If your goal is to muddy the waters: good job! You've at least succeeded at that. Pacquiao's reputation is build on the fanboy's circular logic. Go to bed kid.

exactly! that's it! we need to get rid of Manny Pacquiao for the good of the people, cause he's obviously causing mental retardation to his general fanbase!!! hahahahaha

And you're quite stupid for taking that seriously.

By the way, your boy cotto will go down again. Tony will beat him senseless.

yea yea nutthugger, you call me stupid yet you say that Manny Pacquiao's performance was an intricate plan to get a fight with Mayweather only to get his asswhooped on a larger stage than he did on Saturday

[LukeH]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

wtf bro, really, you just contradict yourself as do all Pacquiao fanboys, you JUST SAID THAT YOU THOUGH MARQUEZ WON 8 ROUNDS LEGIT, so if he won 8 rounds LEGIT AS YOU SAID to Manny's 4 rounds, HOW THE HELL IS THAT NOT DOING ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BELT FROM THE CHAMPION? fuck me, is the only way to win a championship against Manny "special rules" Pacquiao is to either KO him knock him down in every fucking round to win a decision...

You do know he was joking?

Anyway, most of the people saying Pac won are kinda saying you have to fight like him to be capable of winning. Marquez was counterpunching, of course he was going to move backwards. It's not like Pac was making him run away, he was controlling the pace of the fight. I guess Pac was concentrating so much on being aggressive he forgot to actually assert himself and force Marquez to fight at a faster pace.

[OumaFan]

I had it 115-113 Pacquaio. I thought Marquez won 8 rounds legit but Manny is the titleholder and the MAN and JMM only did enough in five of the rounds to overcome the advantage Manny had before each round started. You have to take the belt from the champion. Its a cruel cruel world.

wtf bro, really, you just contradict yourself as do all Pacquiao fanboys, you JUST SAID THAT YOU THOUGH MARQUEZ WON 8 ROUNDS LEGIT, so if he won 8 rounds LEGIT AS YOU SAID to Manny's 4 rounds, HOW THE HELL IS THAT NOT DOING ENOUGH TO TAKE THE BELT FROM THE CHAMPION? fuck me, is the only way to win a championship against Manny "special rules" Pacquiao is to either KO him knock him down in every fucking round to win a decision...

Elterrible, these pactards will never get it. JMM could have won every round and it wouldn't stop them from believing he won or going out and buying his new CD.

I'm just being a straight shooter here, I don't really like Manny's music.

Oscar, on the other hand, has put out some solid stuff.

[Mr140]

I just think this shows how weak the ww division is to be honest. I mean think people got really high on Pac but besides Cotto who is best fighter Pac has beaten. I mean Mosley had not won a fight in 24 months and Margarito was coming off a year with only a bum fight and before that had his ass handed to him by Mosley. I don't think the fight while happen now Arum does not want to send his guy to slaughter which is what the mega fight everyone wanted to see going to end up being.

[Mar]

I don't think anyone's scorecard is wrong boxing is subjective, just the way it is. Judges look at fights from on camera angle, sober, without cheerleaders and extremly biased commentators spewing bullshit in our ear. I say marquez won but i didn't keep score or anything like that. If it's close i usually go back watch it with no volume and i score i do and then life goes on. Pac didn't look good. Marquez may or may not have done enough. But as always boxrec will show you who really won. All we and everyone else has is opinions. What was done to lara was way worse and would be closer to what i call a robbery. One thing is for sure out of all the sports out there hbo's comment team is the worst.

[miron_lang]

I sympathize with the MArquez supporters, JMM was so close but was denied again. Its understandable but the fight is not a robbery as i proved in my thread.

[chris6878]

I don't think anyone's scorecard is wrong boxing is subjective, just the way it is. Judges look at fights from on camera angle, sober, without cheerleaders and extremly biased commentators spewing bullshit in our ear. I say marquez won but i didn't keep score or anything like that. If it's close i usually go back watch it with no volume and i score i do and then life goes on. Pac didn't look good. Marquez may or may not have done enough. But as always boxrec will show you who really won. All we and everyone else has is opinions. What was done to lara was way worse and would be closer to what i call a robbery. One thing is for sure out of all the sports out there hbo's comment team is the worst.

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