Why so many Pac haters? It seems that every thread there's always a hater?

[:::PSL:::]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

[Mars_ax]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

[:::PSL:::]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Most of us saw the fight on the tube. There were 3 judges. They saw the fight steady and upclose in 3 different angles. Not one of them give it to Marquez. Why? Maybe 1 or 2 of them saw what we didn't see that favored Pac.

[Mars_ax]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Most of us saw the fight on the tube. There were 3 judges. They saw the fight steady and upclose in 3 different angles. Not one of them give it to Marquez. Why? Maybe 1 or 2 of them saw what we didn't see that favored Pac.

I'm gonna watch the replay saturday and make up my own mind, in any event Pac didn't fight up to his normal standards against Marquez. He lost more rounds then he had in the total of his 7 previous fights. Sure JMM fought a great fight, but I still don't get why Pac looked so ordinary.

[Rantcatrat]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Take into account that he blitzed through 6 offensive machines. When was the last time he fought a counter-puncher? Marquez and he had trouble then. Frankly, that counter-punching style of boxing is Pac's kriptonite. It doesn't mean cleaning out the welterweight division isn't impressive, but he has yet to show he can decisively beat a counter puncher.

I also think everyone underestimated how well Marquez would look at welterweight. People put down Marquez after his fight against Mayweather, but the truth is that was his only fight at 147. It turns out when he trained properly for 147, he was fantastic at the weight.

[Mars_ax]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Take into account that he blitzed through 6 offensive machines. When was the last time he fought a counter-puncher? Marquez and he had trouble then. Frankly, that counter-punching style of boxing is Pac's kriptonite. It doesn't mean cleaning out the welterweight division isn't impressive, but he has yet to show he can decisively beat a counter puncher.

I also think everyone underestimated how well Marquez would look at welterweight. People put down Marquez after his fight against Mayweather, but the truth is that was his only fight at 147. It turns out when he trained properly for 147, he was fantastic at the weight.

Good point, and anyone can look like shit against Mayweather. Keep in mind that Mayweather was much bigger than Marquez, who's best fighting weight is probably 140.

[ElTerribleMorales]

because the definition of a Pachater is the following: Anyone who doesn't get on his knees to suck off Manny Pacquiao, anyone who doesn't think that he's as great as most of his peons do, anyone who thinks that Manny Pacquiao lost fights against Marquez

it's always been this way, and yea PSL the judges did see something that none of us did, they saw a bunch of Ben Franklins eagerly waiting for them prior to the start of the fight

[Mars_ax]

because the definition of a Pachater is the following: Anyone who doesn't get on his knees to suck off Manny Pacquiao, anyone who doesn't think that he's as great as most of his peons do, anyone who thinks that Manny Pacquiao lost fights against Marquez.

it's always been this way, and yea PSL the judges did see something that none of us did, they saw a bunch of Ben Franklins eagerly waiting for them prior to the start of the fight

Or in your case, it's because Pacquiao kicked the shit out of Morales.

[ElTerribleMorales]

because the definition of a Pachater is the following: Anyone who doesn't get on his knees to suck off Manny Pacquiao, anyone who doesn't think that he's as great as most of his peons do, anyone who thinks that Manny Pacquiao lost fights against Marquez.

it's always been this way, and yea PSL the judges did see something that none of us did, they saw a bunch of Ben Franklins eagerly waiting for them prior to the start of the fight

Or in your case, it's because Pacquiao kicked the shit out of Morales.

not even, didn't have a problem with Manny until his hoard of fans started trying to make him out to be a gift from God, more or less after the DLH fight, Raheem had already picked up the win against Morales and that was already a showing that the end was coming near for Erik, don't get confused, yea Morales put on two great performances in his last two fights, but one was against an unknown young kid, and the other against Maidana who was perfectly made for him (slow, wide shots, doesn't use straight punches), unlike the Pactards, I don't dwell on shit that cleanly happens in the ring, Manny beat Cotto, he did so fairly, like I said in another post yea Cotto didn't have a corner, but who's fault is that? it was Miguel's not Pacquiao's, but when it comes to fights like his wins over the likes of DLH, Mosley, Diaz, and especially Marquez, there's plenty of bullshit surrounding all of them

Oscar was weight drained and shot to shit, so I fail to see why that was such a big win, especially when Roach himself openly admits that's why they took the fight

Mosley shot as well and had just gotten his ass handed to him by Mayweather

Diaz was just given a gift decision against Erik Morales (IMO worst decision of the year), and was still the weakest "champ" at 135

and well as previously stated Marquez has gone 3-0 against Manny or at the very worst 2-0-1

[Rantcatrat]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Take into account that he blitzed through 6 offensive machines. When was the last time he fought a counter-puncher? Marquez and he had trouble then. Frankly, that counter-punching style of boxing is Pac's kriptonite. It doesn't mean cleaning out the welterweight division isn't impressive, but he has yet to show he can decisively beat a counter puncher.

I also think everyone underestimated how well Marquez would look at welterweight. People put down Marquez after his fight against Mayweather, but the truth is that was his only fight at 147. It turns out when he trained properly for 147, he was fantastic at the weight.

Good point, and anyone can look like shit against Mayweather. Keep in mind that Mayweather was much bigger than Marquez, who's best fighting weight is probably 140.

Can we even say now that Marquez's best fighting weight is at 140? Frankly, he weighed 150 the night of the fight and he looked fantastic against one of the top fighters in the sport who had fought at 147 for the last couple of years.

[FinitoElDinamita]

This is not about hating. Anybody who keeps quiet about injustice is a punk and a fraud..

That's all it is..

[Mars_ax]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Take into account that he blitzed through 6 offensive machines. When was the last time he fought a counter-puncher? Marquez and he had trouble then. Frankly, that counter-punching style of boxing is Pac's kriptonite. It doesn't mean cleaning out the welterweight division isn't impressive, but he has yet to show he can decisively beat a counter puncher.

I also think everyone underestimated how well Marquez would look at welterweight. People put down Marquez after his fight against Mayweather, but the truth is that was his only fight at 147. It turns out when he trained properly for 147, he was fantastic at the weight.

Good point, and anyone can look like shit against Mayweather. Keep in mind that Mayweather was much bigger than Marquez, who's best fighting weight is probably 140.

Can we even say now that Marquez's best fighting weight is at 140? Frankly, he weighed 150 the night of the fight and he looked fantastic against one of the top fighters in the sport who had fought at 147 for the last couple of years.

I don't know, didn't Marquez come in at 142 at the weigh-in last Friday? Not trying to argue, but it just seems like at this point in his career 140 would work best for JMM, but then WTF do I know.

[Rantcatrat]

"The difference among the best in world is not nearly as much as the public believes," Kellerman said. "That said he's among the very greatest fighters that ever lived. I thought he looked excellent against Marquez, he fought a draw with a great fighter. That he has trouble with counterpunchers doesn't diminish him. Everyone could be better. There's no perfection. Through talent and dedication and matchmaking there's been created a standard of perfection, but no one will ever be perfect."
Kellerman discusses his Manny-Marquez card, Pacman's legacy - New York Boxing Blog - ESPN New York

[Rantcatrat]

There ALWAYS be haters.

Sourgrape turns to hate. That's all I can say.

All hate aside, and i'm a Pac fan, but his stock went straight into the toilet after Saturday. It's hard to figure, Pac blitzes through 6 of the best fighters in the world with relative ease, but looks average/ordinary against Marquez, it's puzzling.

Take into account that he blitzed through 6 offensive machines. When was the last time he fought a counter-puncher? Marquez and he had trouble then. Frankly, that counter-punching style of boxing is Pac's kriptonite. It doesn't mean cleaning out the welterweight division isn't impressive, but he has yet to show he can decisively beat a counter puncher.

I also think everyone underestimated how well Marquez would look at welterweight. People put down Marquez after his fight against Mayweather, but the truth is that was his only fight at 147. It turns out when he trained properly for 147, he was fantastic at the weight.

Good point, and anyone can look like shit against Mayweather. Keep in mind that Mayweather was much bigger than Marquez, who's best fighting weight is probably 140.

Can we even say now that Marquez's best fighting weight is at 140? Frankly, he weighed 150 the night of the fight and he looked fantastic against one of the top fighters in the sport who had fought at 147 for the last couple of years.

I don't know, didn't Marquez come in at 142 at the weigh-in last Friday? Not trying to argue, but it just seems like at this point in his career 140 would work best for JMM, but then WTF do I know.

142 at the weigh in versus Pacquiao's 143 and 150 the night of the fight versus Pacquiao's 148.

[0james0]

We love as humans to pull someone from their perch. Bring them down from greatness.

It was one fight, he is a great fighter.

Can he beat Floyd? It's looking less likely and he is looking noticeably older. But it's not impossible.

People hate too easy, get carried away. Mob mentality.