I tried not to let Mayweather's like-ability or Ward's abrasiveness influence me.

[stebs]

How can anyone evaluate Wards greatness off of a fight like this.

Carl Froch regardless of what the scorecards say is not that good of a fighter and his super six performances show this. Yes he made it to the final somehow.

Froch was losing to Taylor in his first super six fight and got lucky when Taylor tired and ended up with the win by TKO, he lost to Andre Dirrell in his second only to get a gift decision, he lost to Mikkel Kessler. He won against an old weight drained light heavy Glen Johnson. The only fight he won decisively was against Abraham who was a blown up middle who dosen't throw punches.

If you count Dirrell he lost more then anyone in the super six and was most likely the least talented. The only thing going for him is his heart and stamina which is enough only some of the time.

Andre Ward is the best Super middle out there and when he beats up Bute everyone will agree. But he is from from a great at this point in his career.

I don't know why Bute has such good standing either, he's been spoon fed opponents and got knocked out in the process, he was knocked out and he got the Win, not many can do that, maybe that's why he's on some pedestal.

Ward beats him Easy.

I believe the Taylor fight against Froch came before the Super Six.

Anyways . . .

How do you see Ward against . . .
Anthony Dirrell(#1 contender)
Andre Dirrell(we got cheated out of that fight)
Bute(to be the best, you have to beat the best and Bute was the best before the Super Six)
Hopkins(the old vet)

I see ward beating them all, Dirrell I think is a very good boxer, I think what he lacks is Carl Froch's strengths, toughness, will and heart. I also think he was #2 in boxing talent in the super six behind Ward, he may even better then Ward in the pure boxing department, but it takes more then just talent to win sometimes.

Bute is an easy win for Ward, Ward has to much of everything for Bute except maybe his power, which would be Butes only chance.

Hopkins you never know with him, he's one of the slickest out there but it's been proven by several he can be beaten and I think Ward has all the talent he needs to win against Hopkins. With Hopkins age and slow starts you just never know but if I was to bet on that fight my money would be on Ward to win an easy decision if there is such a thing anymore.

You seen after 10 rds of Ward and Froch one judge had it even at that point, at that point I had given Froch one round and one even round, My final score for the fight was 118-111 Ward.

I believe your correct about when Froch and Taylor fought, I thought it was the first round of the tournament.


I just seen Anthony Dirrell on your list, sorry I know very little of Anthony so I have no opinion on that fight.

[johnsebastianmiran]

In the last two and a half years we have been bombarded with Mayweather and the Pacman and forget that there are other fighters. Maybe Ward is not as good as Mayweather but he is young and has not reached Floyd's experience level but he fought a tough although not brilliant opponent in Froch and won in a division where he is now considered to be at the top. This fight is over and you are only as good or as bad as your last battle. He was not hurt and he was technically sound and he has improved with each fight so what is the problem? He doesn't have a great punch but he was in shape and his accumulation of landed punches outnumbered those of Froch. He is a work in progress and like anything else there's always next time. Floyd is not a person I would hang around and Ward is not that bad but when I get out the beers and the chips and sandwiches and I sit in front of my TV I am a fan looking to see the best fight cable TV can bring me and being abrasive or disliked is forgotten after the bell rings. I am a fan and all the rest is bullshit.