Joe Calzaghe: Andre Ward is good but beatable

[Gandalf]

I'm not on the white stuff, just extremely hungover, but I am very high on Joe Calzaghe. I think he is one of the true greats and matches up against anyone in the history of his division, including Roy Jones.

I've seen it mentioned in this thread that Ward reminds people of Jones Jr, but they are nothing alike really. Completely different styles, Ward reminds me of Hopkins much more than Jones who really was a sublimely gifted athlete. Jones Jr's basics were all wrong, but he never needed them. Ward has the crafts honed extremely well. But I think he has stamina issues and a high output fighter like Calzaghe outworks him completely.

I say Lacy in terms of overhyped and Ward to me is overrated. I don't see a particularly great fighter at all. The American's need their name SMW and they have him, but Calzaghe eats those for breakfast.

People are always quick to pick holes in Calzaghe's resume, but you can do the same with Hopkins (CW's are his biggest wins) and Jones Jr (a lot of taxi drivers). Calzaghe's resume is very respectable and he never lost. He always found a way and old Hopkins was a more difficult win for Calzaghe than a young Hopkins who would have given Joe more opportunities. Calzaghe fought a man grown into LHW, Hopkins in his younger days was only ever a MW and would have been the man going up for the first time.

[LobowolfXXX]

I say Lacy in terms of overhyped and Ward to me is overrated. I don't see a particularly great fighter at all. The American's need their name SMW and they have him, but Calzaghe eats those for breakfast.

Conversely, the Brits/Europeans need their name SMW and they have him, but Ward eats those for breakfast...

Calzaghe's resume is very respectable and he never lost? Gee, who else does that sound like?

[Gandalf]

I say Lacy in terms of overhyped and Ward to me is overrated. I don't see a particularly great fighter at all. The American's need their name SMW and they have him, but Calzaghe eats those for breakfast.

Conversely, the Brits/Europeans need their name SMW and they have him, but Ward eats those for breakfast...

Calzaghe's resume is very respectable and he never lost? Gee, who else does that sound like?

Ward has beaten Froch who Calzaghe would NEVER have lost a round against. Froch throwing 40 punches a round, slowly and missing most or Calzaghe and his 100 punch buzzsaw combinations from all kinds of awkward angles. It's Calzaghe easily.

Calzaghe beat a prime Kessler, unbeaten and full of confidence and took him to school with sublime boxing. No cheating, no spoiling, just brilliant showmanship and class. Ward couldn't do it without going all John Ruiz and Billy Goat Gruff.

Calzaghe is a different league to someone like Ward. Ward may be the S.O.G, but Calzaghe is God himself. It is father and son and the son would get a spanking. Ward just couldn't keep up and would be befuddled by the different things Calzaghe can do. All Ward can do is try to make it ugly, but that wouldn't be very Christian.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think the opinion was that if Froch won the super six, his legacy would be better than that of Calzaghe. This was a thread we discussed in depth , well didnt Ward win the super six ?

Ward beat a much better opposition than Calzaghe , how can Mr Play it safe find fault with Ward.
Isnt a fool wise after the event.

[Gandalf]

I think the opinion was that if Froch won the super six, his legacy would be better than that of Calzaghe. This was a thread we discussed in depth , well didnt Ward win the super six ?

Ward beat a much better opposition than Calzaghe , how can Mr Play it safe find fault with Ward.
Isnt a fool wise after the event.

Who though? I really don't see anyone on Ward's resume that is better than the best fighters on Calzaghe's resume. It doesn't make any sense.

[Dark Lord Al]

I think the opinion was that if Froch won the super six, his legacy would be better than that of Calzaghe. This was a thread we discussed in depth , well didnt Ward win the super six ?

Ward beat a much better opposition than Calzaghe , how can Mr Play it safe find fault with Ward.
Isnt a fool wise after the event.

Who though? I really don't see anyone on Ward's resume that is better than the best fighters on Calzaghe's resume. It doesn't make any sense.

You dont think Ward has fought better opposition than Calzaghe at the same stage of their respective careers ?

[Gandalf]

I think the opinion was that if Froch won the super six, his legacy would be better than that of Calzaghe. This was a thread we discussed in depth , well didnt Ward win the super six ?

Ward beat a much better opposition than Calzaghe , how can Mr Play it safe find fault with Ward.
Isnt a fool wise after the event.

Who though? I really don't see anyone on Ward's resume that is better than the best fighters on Calzaghe's resume. It doesn't make any sense.

You dont think Ward has fought better opposition than Calzaghe at the same stage of their respective careers ?

Calzaghe - Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Sheika

Ward - Green, Abraham, Froch, Kessler, Miranda

There isn't all that much in it. Eubank was faded, so was Kessler. People are going to remember Green and Miranda just as much as they do Sheika and Woodhall. Abraham and Veit are your token popular in Germany fighters. Reid was a good fighter though never going to go down as a great, a bit like Froch who only beat a well faded Reid.

The only difference was Calzaghe was busier and had more filler.

[Rantcatrat]

I won't read anything by Scott Gilfoid.

[terrorsid]

MR Druggy calaghe knew when to retire!!!
he not active sooooo how is he relevant

He's beatable when you think about it, RIGHT?
But what happens when you fight him
not what people are saying

[FinitoElDinamita]

I agree with Miles 100% on this thread..

Ward is not on Calzaghe's level..

He's more like a blend of John Ruiz, Hopkins, and Ricky Hatton...

I dont know how anyone could compare him to Roy Jones... lmfao really??

Roy and Ward are like night and day.. They have nothing in common except for the fact that Ward did try to emulate Roy's style very early in his career.. We're talking the days when he got rocked by Darnell Boone.. lol

He's better off with his new wrestling style though cuz it works real well.. He's like the new Hopkins in a sense that he's an illusionist who makes people believe he's a better fighter than he really is..

[BIG H]

The current version of Ward vs the 2007 version of Calzaghe = 50/50 fight imo.

[Rantcatrat]

I agree with Miles 100% on this thread..

Ward is not on Calzaghe's level..

He's more like a blend of John Ruiz, Hopkins, and Ricky Hatton...

I dont know how anyone could compare him to Roy Jones... lmfao really??

Roy and Ward are like night and day.. They have nothing in common except for the fact that Ward did try to emulate Roy's style very early in his career.. We're talking the days when he got rocked by Darnell Boone.. lol

He's better off with his new wrestling style though cuz it works real well.. He's like the new Hopkins in a sense that he's an illusionist who makes people believe he's a better fighter than he really is..

This is a good post although I'll wait to see with how good Ward can get. He may perfect his style and at that point he could be very tough to beat.

[Dia bando]

Calzaghe to fast for Ward ,have you seen anybody out box Joe no,
I no one thing Ward, could not out box him, as for Froch, he is game
but is one-dimensional to me a bit of a plodder.