Joe Calzaghe: Andre Ward is good but beatable

[Dark Lord Al]

Hopkins didnt beat Calzaghe

He didnt win the fight

he didnt land enough punches, didnt throw enough to land them, didnt take a step forward

sometimes i can understand other sides to arguments in fights, that one there was no argument

if someone could show me any of the last 8 rounds where hopkins was on top for more than a single punch ill eat my words

Is Calzaghe your favorite fighter ?

ha

nah he isnt that great

least i like some fighters tho eh?

Tommy Hearns is my all time favorite , so it was just a simple question , sorry if the question offended you.

dont be sorry its a sign of weakness

and no offence taken, i thought you had turned a serious conversation into a bit of fun, so i joined in

im dissapointed in you tho, you are British right? you dont support Manchester United do you?

if you want a serious answer then I am English, Calzaghe is welsh so no he isnt my favourite fighter

Eric being sorry is a weakness indeed , but i was being sarcastic

[Gandalf]

The ability to apologize shows the true size of a mans balls. Only small men are unable to say sorry. I bet Joe Calzaghe can say sorry very impressively.

[erics44]

You should probably go back and read the exchange, if you can.

I'll remind you: you attempted to browbeat someone for being British but not sucking Calzaghe's dick. I don't recall anything about Hopkins.

Nope you misunderstood the exchange, which is a pity coz arguing about who is more bias is always my favourite argument

Its Always a real diamond when someone plays the 'youre bias' card

[Fenster]

I need make no further points as I said in my last post..you guys make all the points for me! Apart from prime Kessler, Lacy is Calzaghes biggest win..lmao listen to yourselves...

IMO hopkins has turned out to be calzaghes best win

It was a clear victory over a man who has fought at the top level for years and has had some of his best wins right at the very top since losing to Calzaghe

hopkins has lost before but never as convincingly as Calzaghe beat him

Althguz thinks all British fighters are shit, pussy, overrated etc...

Oh sorry, apart from his mate Larry Olubamiwo, he was a guy to look out for ()

Thats original Fenster. I certainly haven't been called unpatriotic before for being a boxing fan first and foremost have I?

If you cant handle the fact that your boy Calslappy was an over rated mug who fought tomato cans in the Welsh Valleys for most of his life, then I suppose daddy hasn't told you that Santa isnt real yet either? Aww..I'm sure santa is bringing you your "JC - Greatest of All Time!!!" DVD tomorrow morning..

I like British fighters if they're good. Simple. Most Brits like fighters because they have this arrogant notion that because they have a Wbo/Wbu strap around their waist that they're the greatest. If I know someone isn't that good then I call it.

For the record British fighters I have infinitely more respect for that the idiot in question :

Froch..already a better resume than JC. Fights anyone..unlike you know who
Ricky Hatton..Was good but overhyped and I called it but at least he went stateside and tried to be great.
Amir Khan..arrogant but respect for going stateside and fighting some fairly tough opposition. JC too scared to do.

I got behind Haye and Kevin Mitchell too. My point is you'll never find me getting behind a guy purely because he's British..I have more love for the sport than that

Hope you have a merry xmas Fenster..enjoy your presents from Santa *Pats Fenster on the head*

I couldn't care less whether you like British fighters or not. Your Calzaghe hating means nothing to me.

I laugh at you purely because you can't see the IRONY of constantly slagging off proven world-class fighters whilst praising guys that are borderline journeymen at best. Do you not realise how stupid that makes you look?

Ask Larry how hard it is to win a Southern Area title let alone a British, European, "World," become undisputed champion, P4P rated?

If a proven world-class fighter is such a "pussy" what does that make the fighters he beat? What does that make the fighters that can only dream of getting to that level?

Your attitude is a disgrace.

[Dark Lord Al]

You should probably go back and read the exchange, if you can.

I'll remind you: you attempted to browbeat someone for being British but not sucking Calzaghe's dick. I don't recall anything about Hopkins.

Nope you misunderstood the exchange, which is a pity coz arguing about who is more bias is always my favourite argument

Its Always a real diamond when someone plays the 'youre bias' card

HAHAHA it reminds me of the Monty Python sketch ,

" Good morning I have come here for an argument "
" No you havent "
"Yes I have"
"No im certain you havent"
"Well we are arguing now"
" No we are not"


etc lol

[Dark Lord Al]

The ability to apologize shows the true size of a mans balls. Only small men are unable to say sorry. I bet Joe Calzaghe can say sorry very impressively.

I agree Calzaghe has alot to be sorry about lol

[erics44]

You should probably go back and read the exchange, if you can.

I'll remind you: you attempted to browbeat someone for being British but not sucking Calzaghe's dick. I don't recall anything about Hopkins.

Nope you misunderstood the exchange, which is a pity coz arguing about who is more bias is always my favourite argument

Its Always a real diamond when someone plays the 'youre bias' card

HAHAHA it reminds me of the Monty Python sketch ,

" Good morning I have come here for an argument "
" No you havent "
"Yes I have"
"No im certain you havent"
"Well we are arguing now"
" No we are not"


etc lol

exactly

hi you must be bias
no you must
no you must
no you
you
you

its exciting shit

by the way dark al, i was just being saracastic about your sarcasm

so i double sarcasitcated you

[ElTerribleMorales]

Calzaghe can say anything he wants, but FACT is that Ward already has a better looking resume than Calzaghe ever did, only standout wins are Lacey and Kessler, and Ward beat up Kessler a lot worse than Joe did, unless Calzaghe is looking to step back in the ring and try to back his crap up (he wont cause there's no one who's shot to shit like Jones was) he just needs to shut the fuck up and try to make everything bout himself, and all this talk about a prime Joe this and a prime Joe that, a prime Joe struggled and was given a fucking gift against the likes of Reid, Ward isn't some come straight forward one dimensional drone like Lacey, he's not limited in variety of punches like Kessler, Ward is a natural super middleweight who is in his prime or close to it who can box and move yet can still get inside and brawl, Calzaghe NEVER faced anyone like him in his entire career

[erics44]

Calzaghe can say anything he wants, but FACT is that Ward already has a better looking resume than Calzaghe ever did, only standout wins are Lacey and Kessler, and Ward beat up Kessler a lot worse than Joe did, unless Calzaghe is looking to step back in the ring and try to back his crap up (he wont cause there's no one who's shot to shit like Jones was) he just needs to shut the fuck up and try to make everything bout himself, and all this talk about a prime Joe this and a prime Joe that, a prime Joe struggled and was given a fucking gift against the likes of Reid, Ward isn't some come straight forward one dimensional drone like Lacey, he's not limited in variety of punches like Kessler, Ward is a natural super middleweight who is in his prime or close to it who can box and move yet can still get inside and brawl, Calzaghe NEVER faced anyone like him in his entire career

RECORD!

and no he doesnt

[Althugz]

Calzaghe can say anything he wants, but FACT is that Ward already has a better looking resume than Calzaghe ever did

Exactly my point..Jeez!

Fenster, you bore me..but if you must know why I have such a "disgraceful attitude" towards Calzaghe it's because I've never felt so strongly about any fighter actually BEING a great talent..BUT chose never to prove it. He proved it once in my eyes and that was against Kessler. I gave him his due props. Other than that he's a huge waste of talent..and yours or Miles' man-crush on him doesn't change that.

(FACT)

P.S. You brought up and insulted somebody complete unrelated to the argument because you didn't have one. So how am I the one with a disgraceful attitude?

[Dark Lord Al]

You should probably go back and read the exchange, if you can.

I'll remind you: you attempted to browbeat someone for being British but not sucking Calzaghe's dick. I don't recall anything about Hopkins.

Nope you misunderstood the exchange, which is a pity coz arguing about who is more bias is always my favourite argument

Its Always a real diamond when someone plays the 'youre bias' card

HAHAHA it reminds me of the Monty Python sketch ,

" Good morning I have come here for an argument "
" No you havent "
"Yes I have"
"No im certain you havent"
"Well we are arguing now"
" No we are not"


etc lol

exactly

hi you must be bias
no you must
no you must
no you
you
you

its exciting shit

by the way dark al, i was just being saracastic about your sarcasm

so i double sarcasitcated you

Well Eric i was already thinking about being sarcastic even before you said anything sacastic to me ,so ipredicted your sarcasm , therefore I three times outdid your sarcastic post ! I your with

[BIG H]

Firstly, with respect to anyone who thinks that a second Froch-Ward fight would go any differently, Froch doesn't even think he could beat Ward. He's already said that he's the second-best 168-pounder, and that nobody can beat Ward at 168.

Secondly, it's a myth that Calzaghe cleaned out the 168-pound division. He beat many good fighters, but there were A LOT of top contenders that for one reason or another, he never took on. Pick up a random Ring Magazine from the Calzaghe era, and you'll see a lot of names in the top-5 of the 168-pound division that Calzaghe never got in the ring with. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have beaten them; but it's just patently false that he beat all of the big names in the division.

Thirdly, since the Calzaghe fight, with the exception of the Ward fight, Kessler is 5-0 (4), including a solid win against the division's #3. So it's bullshit to discount Ward's victory by saying that Kessler is somehow markedly worse than he was against Calzaghe; it's just that Ward made him LOOK bad. The 2011 Ward is better than ANY year's Kessler, and Calzaghe, while he beat him decisively, hardly "destroyed" him. To say that Ward hasn't done against anyone else the types of things that he would need to go to beat Calzaghe misses the point; it doesn't imply that Ward is incapable of doing those things. He just hasn't needed to do them against anyone else. What Ward has shown is that to date, he can do whatever is needed to beat the people put in front of him. That doesn't mean that he necessarily would be able to adjust successfully against Calzaghe, but there's no particular reason to think that he wouldn't, either. IMO, 2011 Ward vs. (insert your favorite 168-pound year here) Calzaghe would be a close, competitive, and highly entertaining fight.

Actually mate, your comment is 'The Myth' - this is a point that has been debated over and over on here. You tell me who Calzaghe should've fought at 168, that was operating at 168 at that time, and that the reason they didn't fight was JC!!

Andplease don't say Liles, Echols, Mundine and all that old blurb.

I didn't say anything about "the reason" Calzaghe didn't fight them; but the fact is, he didn't. Again, just pick up a Ring Magazine during the Calzaghe era. You'll see lots of names in the top-5 that Calzaghe never fought. Sorry, I missed the earlier debates, but why are supposed to ignore Echols and Mundine? They were #s 3 and 4 in the 2003 and 2004 annual rankings, when Calzaghe was defending against people like Kabary Salem and Mger Mkrtchyan. But those are hardly the only names. Look at Calzaghe's record, and look at the names of the people in the top 5 during his time as a top 168-pound champion and contender.

Ward is 27, and he's beaten three of the top 5 in the weight class, and four of the top 10.

OK, so you tell me who these people are and which ones enhance his legacy?

Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Brewer, Bika are not all time greats, but were all (except Bika) either current or very recent world champions. To say that Echols or Mundine (or the others you are going to tell us) would've changed your view on his resume doesn't make sense. Fact is, it wasn't a great era, B-Hop and RJJ were not fighting at SMW (there were to busy creating far worse resume's than Calzaghe in their own respective weight classes ) and other than Ottke, who was utter shite, there was nobody else to fight that he didn't fight.

[Fenster]

Calzaghe can say anything he wants, but FACT is that Ward already has a better looking resume than Calzaghe ever did

Exactly my point..Jeez!

Fenster, you bore me..but if you must know why I have such a "disgraceful attitude" towards Calzaghe it's because I've never felt so strongly about any fighter actually BEING a great talent..BUT chose never to prove it. He proved it once in my eyes and that was against Kessler. I gave him his due props. Other than that he's a huge waste of talent..and yours or Miles' man-crush on him doesn't change that.

(FACT)

P.S. You brought up and insulted somebody complete unrelated to the argument because you didn't have one. So how am I the one with a disgraceful attitude?

How have I insulted Larry? Have I called him a "pussy?" Shit? Mug? Overrated? YOU'RE the one insulting Larry but you're to thick naive to realise it. That's my argument. I haven't wavered from it.

If you have no respect for fighters that have reached the pinnacle how can you possibly respect fighters with little talent and little chance of success?

Had you never mentioned being in a boxing gym and knowing fighters (like Larry) I wouldn't even respond to a single post you make, i'd just think you're a silly kid. However, I find it incredible that someone that actually knows fighters can have such little respect for them. Amazing.

[erics44]

Big H its a fuckin record ts not a resume, a resume is something some bird has who works in catering and is trying to get a job in a cake shop

Everyone who has a decent job has a cv

And boxers have a fuckin record

[BIG H]

Big H its a fuckin record ts not a resume, a resume is something some bird has who works in catering and is trying to get a job in a cake shop

Everyone who has a decent job has a cv

And boxers have a fuckin record