Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[erics44]

...and it was Calzaghe's 43rd fight!! LMAO..honestly I rest my case, I really do. The fuck are you doing fighting Manfredo in your 43rd fight? 3 fights away from retirement..

yes it was his 43rd fight, but you name me a boxer that once he has made it to the top hasnt had "fights off", all the top fighters do, including hopkins and i bet you could find fighters that arent top of the pile who hopkins has fought during the latter part of his carear. This is a very bitter statement

The measure for me isn't how many casual fans thought Calzaghe won..it's easy to speak to the majority of Brits who will automatically have a bias towards a fellow Brit so your results are automatically skewed.

yes people are bias towards the fighters they like. Calzaghe won the fight tho, it wasnt a controversial decision, to shout and scream about the calzaghe fans being biast because they agree with the decision shows bitterness

I'm talking if any of you are close to the boxing community. I promise you, the week after that fight I didn't hear one person say they thought that Calzaghe won that fight. From amateur boxers in Repton..from trainers to pro boxers. Nobody. They were all Brit's too. THAT to me is a much better and neutral measure of what happened in the fight.

this is utter bollox mate and also shows bitterness

The whole "well, 70% of the public thought he won" is a mute point anyway. He got the "W" JUST..and it was his greatest victory..a split decision over a 40-something Bhop. I rest my case..He sucks balls.

yep, i think considering what hopkins has done since, calzaghe so clearly won the last 8 rounds it was probably his best win. He obviously doesnt suck balls tho

[erics44]

by the way, you youtube it and pick any of the last 8 rounds, pick hopkins best out of those 8

and lets duscuss it

[Dia bando]

by the way, you youtube it and pick any of the last 8 rounds, pick hopkins best out of those 8

and lets duscuss it

You no something erics, all way's like the word UNDEFEATED, not many people can put that at the side
of there name, I wonder could RJJ or Bernardo no, but I no a man that CAN and that's a FACT.?

[Prosinecki]

I had Calzaghe winning by at least a couple of points. He outworked Hopkins, this despite the more eye-catching punches coming from Hopkins (in the early rounds, at least), because Hopkins simply didn't throw enough and was swamped by Calzaghe's output. Joe pressed the action and although he landed very few hurtful shots himself, there was so little coming back in comparison that you had to give him the rounds.

Calzaghe landed 105 (83%) more punches than Hopkins. This isn't like Pacquiao/Marquez III where the punch output was similar and the quality of work SHOULD be absolutely PARAMOUNT. Punch output is a major thing on its own, certainly when one fighter is nearly landing twice as many punches as his opponent. Calzaghe was coming forward trying to fight and Hopkins being his usual anti-boxing self, smothering and holding, faking low blows to get a breather, throwing little and landing less and less as the fight went on.

A dismal fight caused by Hopkins' negativity and Calzaghe's inability to work him out (he's not alone there), but I can't see how anyone could score more than three or four rounds to Hopkins given his total lack of output in most of them.

With that said, this fight does lead you to believe that a younger, fresher Hopkins with more stamina most likely wins a UD.

[BIG H]

I scored it the same as Eric, first 4 to Hopkins, then last 8 rounds to JC. Not all JCs punches were slaps and even if they were at least he was throwing something. Hopkins did nothing after 4 rounds. Fight was there to be won for him. The only thing I can think of is that JCs workrate was too much for him

I know people will disagree with this, but I genuinely and objectively believe that Calzaghe was more past his best in that fight than Hopkins was. He was there for the taking imo. Going down to those 2 punches (Hopkins & RJJ) would not have happened a couple of years earlier. I saw him interviewed shortly after he retired and he said he retired becuase he was had nothing left and he was going to lose.

[Althugz]

I know people will disagree with this, but I genuinely and objectively believe that Calzaghe was more past his best in that fight than Hopkins was. He was there for the taking imo. Going down to those 2 punches (Hopkins & RJJ) would not have happened a couple of years earlier. I saw him interviewed shortly after he retired and he said he retired becuase he was had nothing left and he was going to lose.

BigH what makes you say JC was past his best? Let's put JCs CV to one side because we'll never agree there...but what fights can you tell me that JC had been in that meant JC was more past his best than Hopkins was? Hopkins too hadn't really been in any grueling fights so that only leaves age as the determining factor, right?

Also I and probably a few others believe that the first round KDs probably would have still stood in JCs prime (which he was close to anyway imo)..Roy Jones was a joke in that fight and I truly believe even old ass Jones could have taken JC out in that round if he wanted instead of clowning..JC was HURT. Anyway prime Roy tears JC a new hole. My favourite argument of all time is the one that JC would have stood a chance.

[BIG H]

I know people will disagree with this, but I genuinely and objectively believe that Calzaghe was more past his best in that fight than Hopkins was. He was there for the taking imo. Going down to those 2 punches (Hopkins & RJJ) would not have happened a couple of years earlier. I saw him interviewed shortly after he retired and he said he retired becuase he was had nothing left and he was going to lose.

BigH what makes you say JC was past his best? Let's put JCs CV to one side because we'll never agree there...but what fights can you tell me that JC had been in that meant JC was more past his best than Hopkins was? Hopkins too hadn't really been in any grueling fights so that only leaves age as the determining factor, right?

Also I and probably a few others believe that the first round KDs probably would have still stood in JCs prime (which he was close to anyway imo)..Roy Jones was a joke in that fight and I truly believe even old ass Jones could have taken JC out in that round if he wanted instead of clowning..JC was HURT. Anyway prime Roy tears JC a new hole. My favourite argument of all time is the one that JC would have stood a chance.

I don't think JC was 'past his best' becuase of age or been in wars (which he wasn't) I just think he got old quickly as some fighters do and there is often no reason. He had a long amateur career, 11 years as undefeated champion as a pro, I think his last 2 fights were just paydays and he had very little desire left.

[Althugz]

...and it was Calzaghe's 43rd fight!! LMAO..honestly I rest my case, I really do. The fuck are you doing fighting Manfredo in your 43rd fight? 3 fights away from retirement..

yes it was his 43rd fight, but you name me a boxer that once he has made it to the top hasnt had "fights off", all the top fighters do, including hopkins and i bet you could find fighters that arent top of the pile who hopkins has fought during the latter part of his carear. This is a very bitter statement

The measure for me isn't how many casual fans thought Calzaghe won..it's easy to speak to the majority of Brits who will automatically have a bias towards a fellow Brit so your results are automatically skewed.

yes people are bias towards the fighters they like. Calzaghe won the fight tho, it wasnt a controversial decision, to shout and scream about the calzaghe fans being biast because they agree with the decision shows bitterness

I'm talking if any of you are close to the boxing community. I promise you, the week after that fight I didn't hear one person say they thought that Calzaghe won that fight. From amateur boxers in Repton..from trainers to pro boxers. Nobody. They were all Brit's too. THAT to me is a much better and neutral measure of what happened in the fight.

this is utter bollox mate and also shows bitterness

The whole "well, 70% of the public thought he won" is a mute point anyway. He got the "W" JUST..and it was his greatest victory..a split decision over a 40-something Bhop. I rest my case..He sucks balls.

yep, i think considering what hopkins has done since, calzaghe so clearly won the last 8 rounds it was probably his best win. He obviously doesnt suck balls tho

Ok sure, you win! You have totally owned me with your argument against the facts I present by palming them off as bitterness. You definitely win..

[erics44]

Ok sure, you win! You have totally owned me with your argument against the facts I present by palming them off as bitterness. You definitely win..

ha, so the facts are that (1) JC fought Manfredo in his 43rd fight and (2) people tend to be biast towards fighters from their own country - and these facts mean that Hopkins beat Calzaghe and Calzaghe is rubbish?

[Pugilistic]

Because i'm bored, i am going to give this fight another watch just now and i will post my scorecard afterwards.

[Pugilistic]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

[Dia bando]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

You forgot one thing,your score card or my score card,don't count for much,Calzaghe still the winner take it on the chin the better Man won, weather you like it or not.?

[Dia bando]

What this fight,come's down too are you a Calzaghe fan or a Hopkins fan, in this fight the judge's made
Calzaghe the winner.?Not unlike the Hagler v SRL, fight which you have to say people still bitch about
we all have a opinion,it's the judge's that count.? So when your fighter get's beat take it on the chin this
include's myself.

[erics44]

My scorecard.

Rd1 Hopkins 10-8
Rd2 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd3 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd4 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd5 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd6 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd7 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd8 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd9 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd10 - Hopkins 10-9
Rd11 - Calzaghe 10-9
Rd12 - Calzaghe 10-9

Total 114-113 Hopkins.

just watch the 6th and 10th

calzaghe won the 6th, hopkins spent most of his time walking forward head down and then holding, calzaghe landed all the punches

the 10th is close, calzaghe still landed more, hopkins spent a lot of the round rolling around the floor, i think to award it to hopkins is harsh but i can accept it

[Althugz]

Bando, I've really learnt to love you over the past few weeks. I don't know what I'd do one day if I arrived here and didn't see your question mark ending sentences (even when you're not asking a question)

*hugs*

Plus you know me so well. Any talk of JC being "great" does indeed induce a feeling of nausea in me.