Bernard Hopkins vs Joe Calzaghe I and result of a hypothetical rematch

[Violent Demise]

Poor

Come on VD... Two glaring errors already.

1) You set the bar far too low... You talk about shit like having sex once or having a job as if they are huge achievements. I wonder why? Wrong on all counts anyway I'm afraid, except the kids... and whilst I'm happy you're proud of your kids the fact that you've procreated isn't really something you get to hang over people's head's...

Although I did find the the job comment funny... work and business keep me too busy to be on here even half as much as you.

2) again we see the typical Velvet Denise stab in the dark attempt at insults - Make some shit up about somebody you know little to nothing about and hope to god that it's actually true so it will offend them.

As usual it failed.

I don't recall ever seeing your picture in your avatar, just that childish, tweenager thug shit you have now. That being said maybe you did... But unlike you, obsessing over the history of somebody else's avatar seems a bit weird to me. Never seen your picture and frankly I'm glad I haven't. I've already seen the Elephant man once and that was enough.

I thought you'd relish the opportunity to get off topic. The mere concept that Calzaghe possibly didn't pursue a rematch because he felt that he'd won, or might not care about some people having doubts as long as he didn't doubt himself seems to be too much for your tiny mind to comprehend... as does the fact (those things you only deal in, if by only you mean "with a large helping of my personal opinion and speculations) that he was never penalised in 46 pro fights for hitting with the thumb or cuff.

Not once, several fights, different judges, different referees... must be a HUGE conspiracy?

Violent "I only deal in fiction and opinion" Denise

Like I said. Nothing but a damn mindless sheep. Can't you for once have your own damn opinion? Stop being a follower for once in that sad, pathetic thing you call a life. It dosn't matter what has been allowed. According to the rules of boxing slapping with an open hand is illegal. That's a fact not an opinion, stupid. Or am I lying? In order to keep you from ducking another question yet again, I'm asking you point blank. Is slapping with an open hand a foul, yes or no? It's not a trick question. And I don't need no lame ass essay on what others think about it. It's a simple yes or no question. Now if your ignorant ass doesn't know than just say so. Trust me it won't shock anybody

I do find it funny how you state that you're so busy and can't be here as much as you want yet still manage to post over 9,000 times.

[AdamGB]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

[Violent Demise]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.




Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

[Leighton]

My god... do you actually have the ability to comprehend anything?! The fail is starting to out weight the amusement. You're so dumb it's getting painful.

I never said I couldn't be on here as much as I wanted... just that I found it amusing that you felt in a position to accuse me of being unemployed, despite the fact that you've been here for less time than I have and posted something like 6000 times more. Then there's the amount of time you've spent logged on here, which I'd wager is a lot more than me. There's a 'time online' thread in the hidden boards if you feel the need to compare.

Back on subject (again ) -

I'm not sure why you want me to regurgitate the queensbury rules back to you. You can't hit with the thumb or inside of the glove. That's a fact, nobody is disputing what the rules say you moron (again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what is being said? ). What is just mere opinion though is your assessment that Calzaghe prominently hits with the inside of his glove.

Wrong

He hits with the target area of the glove... the problem is that he doesn't turn his punches over - which isn't illegal. It's just not a textbook way to throw a punch and something he started doing to protect his bad hands as it places less stress on the joints, at the sacrifice of power.

This may confuse those ignorant of boxing, biased or simply unobservant I guess, but I can't help you there... so I won't worry about it.



It's easy for you to cry 'sheep sheep' over and over again, but the facts remain - Calzaghe has never once been penalised for hitting with the inside of the glove. You cannot dispute that. Unless there has been a massive conspiracy going on for DECADES among st all of the organizations that Calzaghe has boxed for it would seem that your opinion has little backing it other than being a hater.

The facts simply just don't support your opinion of him hitting with the inside of the glove all the time. Which is strange seeing as how 'you only deal in fact'

Hopkins has made a career of twisting or flat out breaking the rules... he used his head about as much as his fists and the fight against Calzaghe was no different. Strangely you don't seem to be complaining about that though. I can't think why? Is it jingoism or fanboyness? which one?

Now I feel bad. I realize now that I was way out of line when I called you a mindless sheep. There was no reason for me to insult the sheep like that. You ain't no sheep. Sheep is a fucking Mensa member when compared to you. Of course Calzaghe was never penalized a point. Why the fuck you think he spent damn near his whole career fighting at home? Think about it, stupid. I would tell you to read between the lines but reading is already a problem for you. How many champions have there been from Wales prior to Calzaghe? About 7, 8 maybe? 10 if you include the garbage that is Gavin Rees and The Human highlight knock out by machine Enzo Maccarinelli that managed to win titles during or after Calzaghe won his. Out of those champions how many were actually good? Not many. 2 of there best ones (the Great Jimmy Wilde and the not as great Freddie Welsh) were from early 1900. The rest were a bunch of barely mediocre fighters who were hard to get behind. Seriously who really gave a fuck about Robbie Regan, Howard Winstone or Barry Jones? So desperate for a good fighter they actually tried to make it seem like Steve Robinson was one just for defending against a couple of scrubs more than once. So when a fighter with talent (which Calzaghe did have) came along there no way in hell they would gonna do something silly like make him fight by the rules. knowing he could do what he wanted, Calzaghe never left home till he was pretty much forced too. The fact that i even had to explain this to you shows how ignorant you really are.




Are you seriously gonna tell me those ain't slaps? Those are legal punches to you?

So Summing it up.
Bhop would have won if they would have counted Calzaghes slaps as slaps.
Calzaghe would have won if they counted Calzaghe punches as punches.
There you go. No need to argue any more. Lets all get along and be friends. YAY

[Dia bando]

I do in joy people tiring to rewrite history, correct me if I am Wrong go onto Boxrec then
put Joe Calzaghe's record up read it,what he beat Hopkins.
I gave simple instruction just in case you are thick or may be gormless or a . or for those that
may be mental e challenged.

[erics44]

nice ledft hand by joe in there

perhaps bernard didnt land all the best punches after all

maybe it looked like he did coz he threw so few

[p4pking]

nice ledft hand by joe in there

perhaps bernard didnt land all the best punches after all

maybe it looked like he did coz he threw so few

Lol, Calzaghe didn't land anything at all in that gif. That little clip basically demonstrates how the whole fight went, kind of funny.

[erics44]

Left to the ear, bhops head is knocked over to his right shoulder

[shza]

Left to the ear, bhops head is knocked over to his right shoulder

That's a wrist to the shoulder, not a left to the ear. He moved his head.

[erics44]

Left to the ear, bhops head is knocked over to his right shoulder

That's a wrist to the shoulder, not a left to the ear.

Well what a suprise

Are you a part of the calzaghe didnt land any punches posse?

[shza]

Left to the ear, bhops head is knocked over to his right shoulder

That's a wrist to the shoulder, not a left to the ear.

Well what a suprise

Are you a part of the calzaghe didnt land any punches posse?

I'm talking about that clip. I don't think even you would point to that as his best work.

Over the fight, he landed a very low percentage. High volume, no power, low connect. I've already said I thought Hopkins won the fight by a round, though I don't have a problem with someone giving it to Calzaghe by a point or two. I do have a problem with jokers like you and miles saying this split decision was "clear" and decisive, which it wasn't.

[erics44]

Its an opinion big man


I thought it was clear calzaghe won the fight, when i heard the verdict i was shocked it was a split decision and even more shocked after that so many people thought hopkins won

[redbaron]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins

That's not what I saw. I saw Hopkins kicking Calzaghe's ass for the majority of the fight and winning 115-112, 7 rounds to 5. And those record books contain a decision made by judges who aren't any more qualified to judge a fight than you or me. Hell, I could become a judge right now if I wanted too.

[Dia bando]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins

That's not what I saw. I saw Hopkins kicking Calzaghe's ass for the majority of the fight and winning 115-112, 7 rounds to 5. And those record books contain a decision made by judges who aren't any more qualified to judge a fight than you or me. Hell, I could become a judge right now if I wanted too.

Explain : 140+ clinches off Hopkins
: 40 + leading and landing with the head.

Without a point deduction please explain how you get away with this and win a fight. If Calzaghe never had the flash knockdown in round 1. It would of been a clear shut out win.

Round 10, proved it all. Hopkins couldn't deal with Calzaghe, 5 minutes recovery time for a punch that wasn't even below the belt. But as most of you say he's a 'slapper'. A slap in the b*lls. Takes 5 minutes to recover for a so called warrior.

Calzaghe lost 4 rounds in my opinion, and in many's. Unless your day job was a judge for the WBC, WBO, IBF, WBA or any organisation I might listen to your unvalid trivial post. Until then ....

[redbaron]

Gandalf: How in the hell do you have Calzaghe winning clearly? Hopkins knocked him down and clearly landed the better punches.

ha

IMO he didnt win clearly but he clearly won

In this fight Hopkins, got the knock down he did land may be 4or 5 punches, and that's being kind
in round 10 he was fucked,Calzaghe was getting to him and did he not like it.
He get's a tap in the bollocks, and roll's around the floor like a twat that he is.
As all the record book's will tell Calzaghe, won the fight that's good enough for me no if or but's, you can talk till the cow's come home Calzaghe beat Hopkins

That's not what I saw. I saw Hopkins kicking Calzaghe's ass for the majority of the fight and winning 115-112, 7 rounds to 5. And those record books contain a decision made by judges who aren't any more qualified to judge a fight than you or me. Hell, I could become a judge right now if I wanted too.

Explain : 140+ clinches off Hopkins
: 40 + leading and landing with the head.

Without a point deduction please explain how you get away with this and win a fight. If Calzaghe never had the flash knockdown in round 1. It would of been a clear shut out win.

Round 10, proved it all. Hopkins couldn't deal with Calzaghe, 5 minutes recovery time for a punch that wasn't even below the belt. But as most of you say he's a 'slapper'. A slap in the b*lls. Takes 5 minutes to recover for a so called warrior.

Calzaghe lost 4 rounds in my opinion, and in many's. Unless your day job was a judge for the WBC, WBO, IBF, WBA or any organisation I might listen to your unvalid trivial post. Until then ....

Don't even get me started with Joe Calslappy. All he did was use slaps to hit Hopkins. Anyone calling those punches doesn't understand boxing. Hopkins knocked Calzaghe on his ass in round 1 and continued to hit him with significant punches throughout. I had Hopkins easily winning 7 rounds. As far your faith in judges is concerned, it is misplaced. What about the judges who scored the Lara-Williams fight or Briggs-Foreman? Do you trust them to make a good decision? Some judges are consistently good, but others are bad. The judges in the Calzaghe fight fall on the bad side. I could do a better job than many judges.