40 year old v's a 21 year old =

[Kev]

Undercards don't sell ppvs. That's clear. The casual fan knows who Shane is and will like the fact he is on the card. We're not casual fans though. Listen, I hope I'm wrong, I sincerely do. I just see Shane going in survival mode once he feels a bit of Canelo's power and then putting on a snoozer for 12 rounds.

Shane also has a great record against Mexican fighters. Something like 36-1-1. Maybe styles do make fights and Shane would have problems with a fast southpaw in Manny and a fast boxer in PBF, but not have problems with Canelo.

My point regarding Oscar was that he is just a pure promoter and I don't buy any of his propoganda any more than I do other promoters. He put down Shane because Shane left GB to secure a Pacquiao fight. He disparaged Shane, not as a bad opponent for Manny, but as a shot, old fighter. Now he's putting him in against someone he promoters, and there's no problem. It's hypocritical was my point.

I don't see how it's hypocritical. Someone can easily be said to be a soft choice of opponent against the then world's number 1 p4p fighter on a HBO PPV but then not a soft choice for an emerging 21 year talent who Matthew Hatton comfortably went 12 rounds with last year.

Look, I think Cotto is a soft choice as a PPV main event fight for Floyd. The result is virtually guaranteed imo. I think Cotto is past his best too.

But that doesn't mean if Floyd beats him handily as expected that I'd denigrate him as an opponent for Saul Alvarez. On the contrary I'd see that as a very dangerous fight.

You're putting all your emphasis on Shane no longer being world class elite level and ignoring the fact that Alvarez hasn't demonstrated he is at that level himself yet anyway.

It's a step up fight in his developing career. They are bringing him along. As such this makes for a great matchup, in my opinion the outcome is a lot more in doubt than the main event.

The difference between Cotto and the current Shane (if Shane is shot) is that Cotto is not shot. I estimate Cotto probably has about 90% of what he used to have pre-Margarito #1 and the Pacquiao shellacking. Not enough to be victorious against Pretty Boy, but enough to be a very tough outing for Canelo, at least from what we've seen in Cotto's last few fights. Canelo choosing to fight Cotto would be a huge step up in class. It may in fact be that Canelo isn't ready for that type of jump. Guess what? I wouldn't blame him. He's only 21. He has time. However, if Shane is shot, this fight will be a one-sided beat down. It won't add to Canelo's development. Sadly, it'll just add to Shane's dementia. Have you heard Shane speak recently?

The same goes for Cotto as it does for Delvin Rodriguez. Floyd would eat Delvin up easily. It doesn't mean at all that he would be a poor choice of opponent for Canelo. Quite the contrary, he would be a great choice, even though Canelo would be favored. In sum, Delvin, like Cotto, unlike how I view Shane, is not shot. Shane is not a step up from Cintron if Shane is shot. It's not that he is less than he once was, but still formidable, if he can't pull the trigger, he can only survive. Delvin Rodriguez is a step up even Wolak would be a step up. Canelo would be favored in both fights.

I don't understand the emphasis on being shot and your definition of it. Why was Cotto not shot after fighting Manny, or Marquez not shot after fighting Floyd? What did they do differently in their fights against the world's best that Floyd did not?

They all got completely dominated as I see it.

Shane didn't have the speed and stamina to cope with Manny or Floyd but that doesn't mean he wont have enough to trouble lesser fighters.

It's like saying Tomasz Adamek is shot because he was completely dominated against Vitali in a totally one sided fight.

So many fighters in recent years have been written off as shot. Morales, Marquez, Hopkins. Given the right opponents they have all gone on to do pretty well.

Shane isn't expected to win, and I'd be surprised if he did. But I'd much rather watch Canelo fight him than Delvin Rodriguez. I couldn't give a shit about a fight like that.

I'll be rooting for Sugar Shane. Given how easily Alfonso Gomez was outboxing him until he felt his power I don't think Shane has no chance. I'd still pick Shane to beat Gomez, Hatton, Rhodes, Baldomir and probably Cintron too. The extra weight as this stage might help him a bit with his legs.

I think his biggest problem will be that he won't have the power to hurt Canelo, just like in his prime he had no power to hurt Winky at that weight either.

But I think he might be able to land enough to make it a good fight.

And I always love to see an ageing champion go out by taking on the next generation. It's how boxing should be imo.