Same sex marriage

[Kev]

No big issue let them do what they want to show their commitment, it also helps them when someone dies as there are legal rights within the marriage that couples living together do not have.

"Marriage" is between a man and a woman, they can call it a legal union or whatever, but it's not a marriage.

In a legal sense all a marriage is, is a financial contract. I don't think that churches should be forced to allow gay marriage, but I also don't believe that they should be prevented from doing so either. I really don't see the issue you have with it. Being gay is not a disease or an addiction, some people are born that way. If a church determines that marriage to them is between two consenting adults, then what's the problem?

I'm not trying to debate this, but for the most part the gay lifestyle is a choice, and it's also a psychosomatic form of schizophrenia. The problem I have is they want special rights, and to be seen as "normal", and they're not. Furthermore, if they'd keep that happy horseshit to themselves, there wouldn't be a problem, but no, they've got to stick it in everyone's face.

They are not asking for special rights anymore than what my wife and I have with our marriage which has nothing to do with religion.

I strongly disagree with this. The gay rights lobby, along with the secular atheist lobby are the most militant and vocal in all of public life.

They actively seek to undermine Christian values at every turn, taking people and organisations to court constantly in order to score victories over them

Some recent examples are the undercover gay couple in the UK who made a booking in a Christian guesthouse to stay. The tiny family run guesthouse, designed for use by Christians had a policy of not allowing unmarried couples to share a double room. It held for straight couples too. They also didn't allow gay people to share rooms either as it contradicts their biblical beliefs.

This guesthouse was targeted by the gay lobby, a gay couple booked a room, just so that they could be turned away and then take the guesthouse to court and cite how offended they were.

In America a Christian therapist was approached by a gay man, who asked her to cure him of his homosexuality. In actual fact he was secretly recording the meetings so he could sue her in court for causing emotional distress and homophobia.

Such moves are not new either. Most people have heard of the Scopes Monkey trial in the early 1900's where a science teacher was taken to court for teaching evolution in schools. Most people seem to think he was innocent teacher who was persecuted by the the primitive, bigoted moral brigade of the day.

In fact he was an active member of the ACLU and deliberately claimed he taught evolution in order to force the trial through. He actually never even taught it.

It's always been the strategy to militantly advance gay and secular rights through the law courts, always seeking selective possibilities to undermine Christianity wherever possible.

Only last week here in the UK an atheist liberal democrat counciller won a court ruling against his local council because they have always followed the tradition of starting meeting with prayers. He said it offended his atheism even though the prayers were entirely voluntary and he did not have to attend. He was the one being intolerent but obviously the courts ruled in his favour as they always do. Again, it's just one example of a much larger undermining process and the ever hastening march towards the militant secularisation of society.

[killersheep]

No big issue let them do what they want to show their commitment, it also helps them when someone dies as there are legal rights within the marriage that couples living together do not have.

"Marriage" is between a man and a woman, they can call it a legal union or whatever, but it's not a marriage.

In a legal sense all a marriage is, is a financial contract. I don't think that churches should be forced to allow gay marriage, but I also don't believe that they should be prevented from doing so either. I really don't see the issue you have with it. Being gay is not a disease or an addiction, some people are born that way. If a church determines that marriage to them is between two consenting adults, then what's the problem?

I'm not trying to debate this, but for the most part the gay lifestyle is a choice, and it's also a psychosomatic form of schizophrenia. The problem I have is they want special rights, and to be seen as "normal", and they're not. Furthermore, if they'd keep that happy horseshit to themselves, there wouldn't be a problem, but no, they've got to stick it in everyone's face.

They are not asking for special rights anymore than what my wife and I have with our marriage which has nothing to do with religion.

I strongly disagree with this. The gay rights lobby, along with the secular atheist lobby are the most militant and vocal in all of public life.

They actively seek to undermine Christian values at every turn, taking people and organisations to court constantly in order to score victories over them

Some recent examples are the undercover gay couple in the UK who made a booking in a Christian guesthouse to stay. The tiny family run guesthouse, designed for use by Christians had a policy of not allowing unmarried couples to share a double room. It held for straight couples too. They also didn't allow gay people to share rooms either as it contradicts their biblical beliefs.

This guesthouse was targeted by the gay lobby, a gay couple booked a room, just so that they could be turned away and then take the guesthouse to court and cite how offended they were.

In America a Christian therapist was approached by a gay man, who asked her to cure him of his homosexuality. In actual fact he was secretly recording the meetings so he could sue her in court for causing emotional distress and homophobia.

Such moves are not new either. Most people have heard of the Scopes Monkey trial in the early 1900's where a science teacher was taken to court for teaching evolution in schools. Most people seem to think he was innocent teacher who was persecuted by the the primitive, bigoted moral brigade of the day.

In fact he was an active member of the ACLU and deliberately claimed he taught evolution in order to force the trial through. He actually never even taught it.

It's always been the strategy to militantly advance gay and secular rights through the law courts, always seeking selective possibilities to undermine Christianity wherever possible.

Only last week here in the UK an atheist liberal democrat counciller won a court ruling against his local council because they have always followed the tradition of starting meeting with prayers. He said it offended his atheism even though the prayers were entirely voluntary and he did not have to attend. He was the one being intolerent but obviously the courts ruled in his favour as they always do. Again, it's just one example of a much larger undermining process and the ever hastening march towards the militant secularisation of society.

Society should be secular, people should be allowed to worship as they see fit as long as they are not causing harm to other people, or other people's property. You can sue people for homophobia in the UK? That's very strange. I don't see how either case would yield advancement of militant reform.