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    Default Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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    I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.
    You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.
    Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.
    I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.

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    Default Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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    I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.
    You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.
    Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.
    I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.
    Marquez hgasnt been in the wars Morales and Barrera had so thats why he is still around. Erik and Barrera had really good fights and remeber Barrera started in 1989. Marquez has only been inlvoved in exciting fights in the last few years because whilst Barrera was in thrillers with Mckinney in 96 and Morales in 2000, Marquez was being outpointed by Freddie Norwood and Chris John. Thats why he is still about but had he started in 1989 and been involved in wars spanning 4 decades and 9 weight classes like Barrera I think he would be showing his age.

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    Default Re: Who is the greatest boxer to ever come out of Mexico?

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    I would rate Morales and Barerra better than Marquez. Marquez can't handle the outside style and has to generate his offence off the aggression of his opponent. Ricardo Lopez is the Boxer your looking for if you want the greatest boxer. The greatest fighter obviously was Chavez. Marquez again Naz would have exposed him badly.
    You may have a point about Barrera and Morales being more versatile than Marquez, although it doesn't hold a lot of water when used to contrast the three imo. The only opponent whose style Marquez was truly unable to handle was Mayweathers at welterweight; I see no way Morales or Barrera would've really given a better account of themselves there. A fact that people like to overlook is that JMM is actually the oldest of the three and is only still around because he has much better craft than either of the others did. Physically he is just as shopworn as the other two men, no idea why this gets downplayed really.
    Both Barrera and Morales had way longer amateur careers. Longevity is not mainly about age. Think a little harder, what other outside style fighters has Marquez done well against? While JMM is certain a master against the come forward fighters with all guts, Barrera and Morales proved they can technically handle the style. Barrera took Naz apart which is one of the reasons he ranked so high on the all time P4P lists.
    I'd have no idea about Marquez' amatuer career; but even so I'd still mantain that his longevity as opposed to the other two can only be due to his craft. Barrera and Morales never beat top opponents once their reflexes started going, theres no real way to compare the men in this manner without giving JMM an edge. And while Marquez indeed isn't suited to face pure boxers, you can hardly claim Barrera has fared any better against come forward guys, having lost twice in his prime to Junior Jones and being obliterated by Pacquiao. Those were arguably the two best punchers he ever faced. I don't see how Naz is really a good benchmark either, especially given the form he was in facing Barrera. He was about as handy an outside fighter as Brandon Rios on that night, can't imagine Marquez or Morales wouldn't have done a similar number on that fighter.
    Marquez hgasnt been in the wars Morales and Barrera had so thats why he is still around. Erik and Barrera had really good fights and remeber Barrera started in 1989. Marquez has only been inlvoved in exciting fights in the last few years because whilst Barrera was in thrillers with Mckinney in 96 and Morales in 2000, Marquez was being outpointed by Freddie Norwood and Chris John. Thats why he is still about but had he started in 1989 and been involved in wars spanning 4 decades and 9 weight classes like Barrera I think he would be showing his age.
    Marquez doesn't show his age as much because he doesn't take as much damage as Barrera and Morales, he more times than not sticks to his game plan and picks his opponents apart, doing more countering rather than trading, you bring up John and Norwood but both are good fighters, it's not like he's lost to unknowns, John is still undefeated regardless of fighting home more than not, neither Morales or Barrera would really solely rely on their boxing ability to beat an elite fighter, that's why in terms of technical skill I'd put Marquez above both, doesn't mean he's any better than the other 2, I personally think each had their own advantage or area where they peak or shined in and Marquez' was technical skills and strategy

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