Salido stops Lopez!! Is this it for Juan Ma?

[armin]

Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

[captainanddew]

Ortiz had been down against Maidana and Berto, but his legs weren't fucking jelly where it was dangerous for him to be standing.


Mtagwa had Lopez completely out on his feet in the 12th. Salido had him in very bad shape in 2 fights.

[armin]

Ortiz had been down against Maidana and Berto, but his legs weren't fucking jelly where it was dangerous for him to be standing.


Mtagwa had Lopez completely out on his feet in the 12th. Salido had him in very bad shape in 2 fights.

Yeah he was out on his feet but I don't think he's taken any more damage than ortiz has in their respective careers, but maybe his chin/recuperative powers just aren't as good...I didn't think he was in deep shit or anything till the end and that was definitely a good stoppage but I'm just saying I don't think he's permanently damaged or anything, but he is shavin off time of his career with his fighting style and life style

[TitoFan]

It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

[Majesty]

It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

What are they saying about him and his comments?

[TitoFan]

It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

What are they saying about him and his comments?

Most people here are severely critizing JuanMa and his unfortunate comments. Both Roberto Ramirez Sr. and Jr. are highly respected referees here, and to hear JuanMa make those outrageous comments, well.... he's being flogged pretty good. I think it's pretty unanimous that both stoppages were completely warranted, ESPECIALLY the second one. Ramirez Sr. likely saved JuanMa from career-ending or maybe even life-threatening injury by stopping the fight. Gotta admire JuanMa's HUGE heart, and wish to go on in both cases.

I'm still waiting to see if there's any fallout from JuanMa's comments as far as Ramirez is concerned. After the first fight, Ramirez Sr. felt his son was being unjustly criticized, but I think JuanMa's camp later apologized and it went no further. But claiming that both father and son have some sort of betting issue may have gone a bit too far, even if JuanMa was still woozy from the beating he took. We'll just have to see.

[Althugz]

Just watched the fight - Great fight, first of all.

I noticed a few things about JuanMa and here they are in no particular order :

*He has Amir Khan syndrome. He could have made this fight a lot more comfortable for himself but he fought Salido's fight. Salido is a machine and kept coming forward no doubt, not taking anything away from him but even when Juanma had him backing up, he was pouring into Salido's range with zero defence throwing bombs...that's Salido's game.

*JuanMa's punch technique reminds me of Ricky Hatton. Both not as powerful as we were made to believe. Both fighters body shots and hooks are ok (Juanma's hook much better than Hattons) but their straight right is more of a "chopping" right hand that lands with the inside of the glove and downwards. I think if JuanMa could learn to throw that straight right and turn his glove over, he could have kept Salido at range better with the 1-2. That's where the fight needed to be for JuanMa

*He's stupid for contesting the stoppage. Most refs would have stopped it as soon as he done the silly dance towards them but he gave him an oppurtunity to recover up to an 8-9 count. JuanMa was done.

*I think JuanMa could carry on fighting at a high level IF and ONLY IF they carefully match him up with somebody who isn't going to take his shots all night and keep coming forward like a bulldozer. Otherwise he is just too macho and will get knocked out time and time again by fighters like Salido.

*It also seems like he has stamina issues. That seemed like part of the reason that the knockdown occured. Salido was much fresher than Lopez was by the end of that fight.

...Notes finished

[piye]

I think that Juanma can come again he must change his corner but he can still be a great fighter if he learns from his mistakes.
Look at Salido! 11 losses and now he's a world champion fighting the best he ever has, throwing Juanma under the bus is silly and the overreactions of fans to a loss is why the best don't fight the best in boxing.

[Tam Seddon]

WBO have threatened to ban him for a year for his comments about the ref.

[Abelardus]

Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

[armin]

Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

I'm not talkin about being being cut or knocked down, and he did do the right thing by calling it quits against maidana, but it wasn't just a cut he took a beating

[Abelardus]

Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

I'm not talkin about being being cut or knocked down, and he did do the right thing by calling it quits against maidana, but it wasn't just a cut he took a beating

But maidana was a top division fighter, not somebody people expect you to beat. Juanma isn't done if he fight other names then maybe avenges the losses soon. But other then that I don't see much coming from him.

[p4pking]

Salido is a much better pound for pound fighter than Maidana imo, and while Ortiz certainly has better tools than Lopez he isn't nearly as tough so there's not much of a benchmark to use there. I think Maidana has been flattered by having fought two high profile guys with a lot of talent but no chin(Khan) or will to win(Ortiz). You can't tell me he's more dangerous than Salido after he lost to Devon Alexander in that fashion, any good fighter who can actually think for 12 rounds will beat him from here on I suspect.

[Fatsandman]

Lopez has to get new trainers for a start! In between some rounds they remained silent and clueless.

Lopez learned absolutely nothing from his first beating from the underrated Salido. Just thought he could walk through him this time but got exactly the same beating this time.

Forget Lopez though, this fight was all about Salido. He fought like a total warrior with a phenomonal game plan. A lot of angles as he came in on Lopez. Barring his knockdown it was a flawless display.

[Master]

What score did you lot have it?

I had it 88-83 – or 7 rounds to Salido and 2 to JM lopez