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The real test is, name someone P4P besides Pacquiao, (I don't count Mayweather, he doesn't fight often enough) who deserves to be ranked higher than Martinez, there really isn't anyone.

floyd mayweather
manny pacquiao
juan manuel marquez
nonito donaire
wlad klitchko

martinez has looked less than gifted against his last two opponents who are B level fighters at best. the ease with which macklin and barker were able to connect with martinez' head and body doesn't inspire much confidence. if he were to be put in the ring p4p against any of the above fighters i see fairly clear losses for martinez on all counts.
Donaire didn't look all that great last two times out either, difference is Martinez got the KO twice while Donaire didn't come close
Difference is quality of opposition and moves up in weight class:

Narvaez, undefeated in 37 fights at the time, was the #1 ranked super flyweight and former title holder who was moving up in weight to challenge Donaire for his bantamweight title. Donaire blanked him on all 3 judges score cards 120-108.

In his fight against Vasquez Jr, Donaire himself was moving up to challenge the former super bantamweight champ. this was the second weight division Donaire had jumped in a year and a half. Vasquez was the naturally bigger fighter having had spent his entire career at super bantamweight or higher. Donaire fought the majority of that fight with a broken left hand, evidence of which was seen when the gloves were removed and blood was seen soaking through the wraps. Donaire landed a total of 42% of his punches and 60% power punches. while judged a split decision, most observers saw Donaire winning easily.
no, he won CLEARLY, I wouldn't say he won easily, when Martinez began to work he dominated his opponent fully, it's not like either KO was from a lucky shot, the guy set it up and effortlessly took both out taking little to no damage himself, Macklin was one of the top out there right now, lets not forget his rip off "loss" to Sturm who many consider #2 or #3 at 160, as for Donaire against Narvaez, who the hell had Narvaez beaten to be considered elite? the real answer is no one