Champions chasing Challengers

[TitoFan]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

Oh ok.... so we disagree.

I don't care to defend Martinez. He needs a couple of career-defining fights to establish his legacy, if there's going to be any.

As for Baby Chavez, if by "well managed" you mean protected from any fights that might endanger his precious little "0" in the loss column, to the point of ducking credible challengers. Then yeah..... the coddled little baby is well managed.

by well managed i mean he's made the most money with the least risk while upholding a brand name started by his dad.

that's the third element of the sweet science...the one people don't like to talk about: money.

the art of hitting and not being hit; while making as much money as possible.

I can now see why we will always disagree.

I see boxing as a sport. A sport I've loved for a very long time. Long enough to have seen the best fighting the best. Long enough to have seen warriors in the ring, wanting to fight the best opponents available... and not giving a rat's ass about "brand names" (give me a frigging break), maintaining fake undefeated records, or wanting to bloat their bullshit records with bums.

You, on the other hand, admire "well managed" fighters with all the attributes you very well mentioned in your post. Nothing wrong with that...... to each his own.

We'll never agree.

i don't admire chavez jr. i'm just suggesting that you're naive if you think boxing is just about a fighter's glory. its about money and you're a fool if you believe otherwise.

as for people fighting bums... martinez fought a guy with a 1-7-2 record for his 40th fight! his 42nd fight was against 3-35-2! his 43rd fight was 14-4! his 44th fight: 14-10! his 45th 16-6! who has the padded record full of bums? martinez fought 10 times between 2005 and 2007... only 3 of those fighters had winning records.

besides, i'm suprised you're trying to take the moral high road here titofan... your namesake is a cheater who was caught red handed.

I think I've had fruitless arguments with you before, and I'm surprised I've allowed myself to argue with you again.

First of all, I never said fighting is just about "glory" or any bullshit like that. Of course it's about money. But how you handle your career says a lot about you as a fighter and how fans will perceive you. And you're a bigger fucking fool than I'll ever be if you think it's only about the money. You're one of these jaded "fans" that take everything to the $$$ and nothing else. If that's what drives you to like boxing, you're not really a fan.

And your trash talk about Trinidad.... I'm not going to get into that argument with you 'cause you're not worth my time. Suffice it to say that Trinidad was "never caught redhanded". He was made to re-wrap his hands differently from what he always did, and was never considered against the rules. Otherwise it would have been pointed out a long time ago. It was basically a mindgame ploy from the Hopkins corner, to play with Tito's mind. It has long been established that there was nothing wrong with the way he had his hands wrapped.

But all of this is wasted on your feeble mind, so go on with your mindsets, and go on worshipping and jerking off about coddled little fighters like Baby Chavez. And go on caring only about what the fighters make $$$. You sound like a real knowledgeable boxing fan to me.