"Sugar" Shane Mosley retires!

[Fenster]

Yet again he fails to answer a single boxing related question posed by The Fenster and offers nothing but insults.

@TitoFan

Do you not agree that a fighter who has suffered numerous knock downs against B/C-grade opposition is potentially at greater risk against A-grade opposition? It's as simple as 2+2 = 4.

I am merely providing a standard mathematical structure that encompasses the laws of probability. Fact.

[TitoFan]

I answered. You don't want to listen.
When you're ready to have a serious debate without the bullshit, get back to me.
End of story.

[Fenster]

What am I not being serious about?

Tito got knocked down on numerous occasions. The higher calibre opponent you face the more likely you are to be knocked down, especially if that higher calibre opponent has serious power, therefore Shane KO's Tito on this basic but structually granite formula.

Tito was knocked down by far inferior fighters to Shane. Right?

I can't conclusively prove that Shane would KO Tito but the mathematics indicate it's a virtual certainty. Fact.

I'm just providing the results of the research.

[TitoFan]

You chose to ignore the FACTS about the Trinidad knockdowns EARLY in his career. The facts I put in front of your face. I will not answer the same questions twice. You keep asking the same question after you've been given an answer.... you do not deserve any more of my time. Now go play in the middle of the street.

[Fenster]

Tito was stopped by Hopkins in his 41st fight and knocked down by Roy in his 45th.

Early, middle and late - in his career - Tito hit the deck. It's just an undeniable fact.

By that rationale I believe Mosely, who would have been one of the superior opponents Tito faced, had a strong mathematical chance of rendering him unconcious.

The Fenster never ignores facts. Fact.

[TitoFan]

Now you're starting to subtly change your tune, and looking ignorant in the process. The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns were very different from the knockdowns Trinidad suffered early in his career. The early ones were caused by lack of proper balance by Trinidad. The fact that he immediately bounced up (unhurt) and KO'ed the opponent (in each case) is proof of that. Only an idiot will continue to ignore that fact. Surely you're not an idiot, correct? The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns occurred late in each fight. Trinidad was clearly losing the fight and had been dominated in each case. Hence, the late knockdowns.

You started the argument by ignorantly saying Trinidad had a "china-chin". You've subtly eased off that, but still pursue the argument that since Trinidad suffered various knockdowns, Mosley would KO him. Faulty reasoning, for the reasons I've given above.

To this point, I've humored you and good-naturedly taken the bait you've hung out there, in the spirit of maintaining a good argument back and forth. But I will not answer your questions twice. I've already done that in this post, by once again explaining to you the nature of Trinidad's early knockdowns. Now... as the moderator you are... I expect you to be more of an example to our young, impressionable posters. But if you persist in your asinine arguments, in which you've proceeded to look like quite the fool, you're going to leave me no choice but to ignore your ass altogether.

You see... I only engage in intelligent arguments.

[TitoFan]

Now I'll get stuck in another marathon argument with Fenster and get blamed for another 15 pages of thread.

[Althugz]

Surely you're not an idiot, correct?

You're giving him way too much credit there..

Are we talking about the same guy who likened boxing to a maths equation..?? Because 2+2=4 in boxing doesn't it? *facepalm*

It's like that argument about how fighter A beat fighter B and fighter B beat fighter C so that means fighter A will beat C. Doesn't quite work like that does it?

Anyway, using his nonsensical theory, his man-crush Joe Calzaghe would have been destroyed by better opposition if he faced them either in prime or at all. Having been knocked down by Byron Mitchell, decrepid Hopkins and Mummified Roy Jones means he would have been iced by Prime Eubank, Benn, Roy Jones (although that's obvious), Hopkins, Froch etc

Then again, FennyBoy might be on to something here..that doesn't sound so ridiculous after all...

[Fenster]

Now you're starting to subtly change your tune, and looking ignorant in the process. The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns were very different from the knockdowns Trinidad suffered early in his career. The early ones were caused by lack of proper balance by Trinidad. The fact that he immediately bounced up (unhurt) and KO'ed the opponent (in each case) is proof of that. Only an idiot will continue to ignore that fact. Surely you're not an idiot, correct? The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns occurred late in each fight. Trinidad was clearly losing the fight and had been dominated in each case. Hence, the late knockdowns.

You started the argument by ignorantly saying Trinidad had a "china-chin". You've subtly eased off that, but still pursue the argument that since Trinidad suffered various knockdowns, Mosley would KO him. Faulty reasoning, for the reasons I've given above.

To this point, I've humored you and good-naturedly taken the bait you've hung out there, in the spirit of maintaining a good argument back and forth. But I will not answer your questions twice. I've already done that in this post, by once again explaining to you the nature of Trinidad's early knockdowns. Now... as the moderator you are... I expect you to be more of an example to our young, impressionable posters. But if you persist in your asinine arguments, in which you've proceeded to look like quite the fool, you're going to leave me no choice but to ignore your ass altogether.

You see... I only engage in intelligent arguments.

Argument? What argument did I start?

I merely gave a scientfic presentation based on emperical evidence that the the laws of physics suggesst that Tito's china-chin - based on the indisputable fact that he's hit the canvas early, middle and late in his career - gets shattered by Shane Mosley's powerful whacking fists. Nothing more, nothing less.

I never claimed it to be a certainty. Although the mathematical evidence strongly suggests it is a certainty. Even though it's not. Fact.