"Sugar" Shane Mosley retires!

[Fenster]

Tito was stopped by Hopkins in his 41st fight and knocked down by Roy in his 45th.

Early, middle and late - in his career - Tito hit the deck. It's just an undeniable fact.

By that rationale I believe Mosely, who would have been one of the superior opponents Tito faced, had a strong mathematical chance of rendering him unconcious.

The Fenster never ignores facts. Fact.

[TitoFan]

Now you're starting to subtly change your tune, and looking ignorant in the process. The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns were very different from the knockdowns Trinidad suffered early in his career. The early ones were caused by lack of proper balance by Trinidad. The fact that he immediately bounced up (unhurt) and KO'ed the opponent (in each case) is proof of that. Only an idiot will continue to ignore that fact. Surely you're not an idiot, correct? The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns occurred late in each fight. Trinidad was clearly losing the fight and had been dominated in each case. Hence, the late knockdowns.

You started the argument by ignorantly saying Trinidad had a "china-chin". You've subtly eased off that, but still pursue the argument that since Trinidad suffered various knockdowns, Mosley would KO him. Faulty reasoning, for the reasons I've given above.

To this point, I've humored you and good-naturedly taken the bait you've hung out there, in the spirit of maintaining a good argument back and forth. But I will not answer your questions twice. I've already done that in this post, by once again explaining to you the nature of Trinidad's early knockdowns. Now... as the moderator you are... I expect you to be more of an example to our young, impressionable posters. But if you persist in your asinine arguments, in which you've proceeded to look like quite the fool, you're going to leave me no choice but to ignore your ass altogether.

You see... I only engage in intelligent arguments.

[TitoFan]

Now I'll get stuck in another marathon argument with Fenster and get blamed for another 15 pages of thread.

[DavilaJones]

I wish Shane all the luck and here is hoping that is new lady won't take him for all his worth, last thing I want to see is a 44 year old Shane fighting again.

[hardcore_crash]

Even though he needed the money he should have retired before the Pacquiao fight.
His career took an ugly shift after that.

I know he is still a partner with GBP, only because he holds shares.
I can only wonder if he would have been more financially secure in the future had he not left GBP the way he did in pursue of the Pacquiao fight.

[Althugz]

Surely you're not an idiot, correct?

You're giving him way too much credit there..

Are we talking about the same guy who likened boxing to a maths equation..?? Because 2+2=4 in boxing doesn't it? *facepalm*

It's like that argument about how fighter A beat fighter B and fighter B beat fighter C so that means fighter A will beat C. Doesn't quite work like that does it?

Anyway, using his nonsensical theory, his man-crush Joe Calzaghe would have been destroyed by better opposition if he faced them either in prime or at all. Having been knocked down by Byron Mitchell, decrepid Hopkins and Mummified Roy Jones means he would have been iced by Prime Eubank, Benn, Roy Jones (although that's obvious), Hopkins, Froch etc

Then again, FennyBoy might be on to something here..that doesn't sound so ridiculous after all...

[Fenster]

Surely you're not an idiot, correct?

You're giving him way too much credit there..

Are we talking about the same guy who likened boxing to a maths equation..?? Because 2+2=4 in boxing doesn't it? *facepalm*

It's like that argument about how fighter A beat fighter B and fighter B beat fighter C so that means fighter A will beat C. Doesn't quite work like that does it?

Anyway, using his nonsensical theory, his man-crush Joe Calzaghe would have been destroyed by better opposition if he faced them either in prime or at all. Having been knocked down by Byron Mitchell, decrepid Hopkins and Mummified Roy Jones means he would have been iced by Prime Eubank, Benn, Roy Jones (although that's obvious), Hopkins, Froch etc

Then again, FennyBoy might be on to something here..that doesn't sound so ridiculous after all...

Well that wasn't predictable. Deary deary me....

[Fenster]

Now you're starting to subtly change your tune, and looking ignorant in the process. The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns were very different from the knockdowns Trinidad suffered early in his career. The early ones were caused by lack of proper balance by Trinidad. The fact that he immediately bounced up (unhurt) and KO'ed the opponent (in each case) is proof of that. Only an idiot will continue to ignore that fact. Surely you're not an idiot, correct? The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns occurred late in each fight. Trinidad was clearly losing the fight and had been dominated in each case. Hence, the late knockdowns.

You started the argument by ignorantly saying Trinidad had a "china-chin". You've subtly eased off that, but still pursue the argument that since Trinidad suffered various knockdowns, Mosley would KO him. Faulty reasoning, for the reasons I've given above.

To this point, I've humored you and good-naturedly taken the bait you've hung out there, in the spirit of maintaining a good argument back and forth. But I will not answer your questions twice. I've already done that in this post, by once again explaining to you the nature of Trinidad's early knockdowns. Now... as the moderator you are... I expect you to be more of an example to our young, impressionable posters. But if you persist in your asinine arguments, in which you've proceeded to look like quite the fool, you're going to leave me no choice but to ignore your ass altogether.

You see... I only engage in intelligent arguments.

Argument? What argument did I start?

I merely gave a scientfic presentation based on emperical evidence that the the laws of physics suggesst that Tito's china-chin - based on the indisputable fact that he's hit the canvas early, middle and late in his career - gets shattered by Shane Mosley's powerful whacking fists. Nothing more, nothing less.

I never claimed it to be a certainty. Although the mathematical evidence strongly suggests it is a certainty. Even though it's not. Fact.

[TitoFan]

Now you're starting to subtly change your tune, and looking ignorant in the process. The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns were very different from the knockdowns Trinidad suffered early in his career. The early ones were caused by lack of proper balance by Trinidad. The fact that he immediately bounced up (unhurt) and KO'ed the opponent (in each case) is proof of that. Only an idiot will continue to ignore that fact. Surely you're not an idiot, correct? The Hopkins and Jones Jr. knockdowns occurred late in each fight. Trinidad was clearly losing the fight and had been dominated in each case. Hence, the late knockdowns.

You started the argument by ignorantly saying Trinidad had a "china-chin". You've subtly eased off that, but still pursue the argument that since Trinidad suffered various knockdowns, Mosley would KO him. Faulty reasoning, for the reasons I've given above.

To this point, I've humored you and good-naturedly taken the bait you've hung out there, in the spirit of maintaining a good argument back and forth. But I will not answer your questions twice. I've already done that in this post, by once again explaining to you the nature of Trinidad's early knockdowns. Now... as the moderator you are... I expect you to be more of an example to our young, impressionable posters. But if you persist in your asinine arguments, in which you've proceeded to look like quite the fool, you're going to leave me no choice but to ignore your ass altogether.

You see... I only engage in intelligent arguments.

Argument? What argument did I start?

I merely gave a scientfic presentation based on emperical evidence that the the laws of physics suggesst that Tito's china-chin - based on the indisputable fact that he's hit the canvas early, middle and late in his career - gets shattered by Shane Mosley's powerful whacking fists. Nothing more, nothing less.

I never claimed it to be a certainty. Although the mathematical evidence strongly suggests it is a certainty. Even though it's not. Fact.

To provide "scientific presentation" you must have something larger than a pea-sized brain.
Fact.

Also, if you're going to base anything on "empirical evidence".... learn how to spell it first.
Fact.

You're a joke, kid. I'm beginning to wonder who you had to blow to become moderator.
Saddo must've been in the mood for a sick joke.
Fact.

[Gandalf]

Tito, you seem to be resorting to the insults again and then become a grammar Nazi. I know from experience that it is difficult to spell correctly when drunk. Not easy at all and empirical is a pretty long word.

Fensters argument is a sound one. Tito got knocked down a lot and Mosley tended to knock down a lot of opponents. It's logical to suggest that Trinidad might be put down by Mosley or even stopped.

[TitoFan]

Oh, c'mon. You too? Hey... I'm aware anything can happen in a professional prizefight. All we can have are opinions. I just don't like the way Fenster expresses his... and he obviously doesn't like the way I express mine. Are you going to jump to his defense, too? You're a veteran and have been here awhile. You know I'm not the only one Fenster rubs the wrong way. And while you're accusing me of insulting him... can you also see the condescending way he writes his posts? If you're going to get in the middle of the fray, try to be objective. And give me a break, ok?

[Gandalf]

I don't understand. You are the one who is saying that another poster is mentally challenged and has literacy issues.

It is a valid point that a fighter who has been known to hit the canvas could well do so against another legendary fighter. It's a simple and logical argument to make.

Fenster's bluster amuses me more than anything but reading through the later stages of this thread it is that argument that is more in tune with my own perceptions.

[Fenster]

Tito, you seem to be resorting to the insults again and then become a grammar Nazi. I know from experience that it is difficult to spell correctly when drunk. Not easy at all and empirical is a pretty long word.

Fensters argument is a sound one. Tito got knocked down a lot and Mosley tended to knock down a lot of opponents. It's logical to suggest that Trinidad might be put down by Mosley or even stopped.

Thank you miles.

Any sane thinking individual can recognise the merit of my logical argument. This TitoFan fellow gets upset very easily and takes umbrage with anything The Fenster says. Very strange.