Julio Jr. vs. Andy Lee Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Hulk]

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

Wrong, I think the Klitschko's "are great", the greatest heavyweight of all time is hands down Joe Louis anyone who says Ali is greater than Louis is just caught up in the celebrity of Ali. Ali ran off at the mouth, Joe Louis never even had that chance, but he defended his title successfully 25 times in a row AND had years of his prime taken from his because HE ENLISTED DURING WORLD WAR II.


Well I'm sorry, but Manfredo is shit...I'm just disappointed I never saw the guy properly concussed and down for the full 10 count. I'm hoping Sergio Mora ends up losing a fight that way so I don't feel totally ripped off.

Fair post and not filled with any venom or condescension. Is this a new Lyle ? I like it.

There is a very strong case for Joe Louis, he certainly was a very quality human being and unlike Ali he had true punching power.

I don't know why you hate Manfredo but its understandable seeing how he was on the first "Contender" and got plenty of undeserved shots at the big time.

The guy did draw with a shop worn, but not shot Jeff Lacy. That was something.

He also devastated Joey Spina when he was on a roll up til then, but otherwise he has been rather pedestrian.

Yeah I can't stand Sergio Mora. I was very happy when one of my favorite warriors, Brian Vera was able to beat him, by decision no less.

Also Vera is training at KRONK gym now, I think it will do him well.

[djcione]

Manfredo, was a classic example of a fighter being ruined by his father's piss poor management. He had no business fighting Calzaghe when he did, and it ruined his confidence forever. He was an ok fighter that would have, most definitely, had more success with better management. I believe that Roach had just started working with him when the Calzaghe fight was made. Needless to say that Freddie quit immediately after learning about that mismatch.

Mike and Jerry Quarry's dad was probably the worst I've seen during my lifetime.

[hardcore_crash]

Mike and Jerry Quarry's dad was probably the worst I've seen during my lifetime.

I don't much about Jerry Quarry's dad, but I'd like to know more about him and what he did towards his son's boxing career?

[El Kabong]

Fair post and not filled with any venom or condescension. Is this a new Lyle ? I like it.

There is a very strong case for Joe Louis, he certainly was a very quality human being and unlike Ali he had true punching power.

I don't know why you hate Manfredo but its understandable seeing how he was on the first "Contender" and got plenty of undeserved shots at the big time.

The guy did draw with a shop worn, but not shot Jeff Lacy. That was something.

He also devastated Joey Spina when he was on a roll up til then, but otherwise he has been rather pedestrian.

Yeah I can't stand Sergio Mora. I was very happy when one of my favorite warriors, Brian Vera was able to beat him, by decision no less.

Also Vera is training at KRONK gym now, I think it will do him well.

My posts are fair even when they are filled with venom & condescension!

I hate Peter Manfredo because he couldn't beat Sergio Mora, and I HATE Sergio Mora. Also on 'The Contender' Manfredo was built up as this huge power punching dude who was the hands down favorite to win the show or whatever the hell and Alfonso Gomez beat him in his first match. I like Alfonso Gomez, he's a little dude that gives 100% and he's not scared to fight anyone. The fight vs Jeff Lacy was horrendous, Manfredo ran away once he got tagged 1 good time. Manfredo is an average fighter with a seemingly larger than average fanbase, he wears the flashy trunks, and has a mushed up grill and one would think he would follow in the Italian Warrior footsteps of Arturo Gatti, Vinnie Pazienza, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMatta, Rocky Marciano, et al....but no, he's a poser. He's just not as blood & guts as 'The Contender' tried to make him out to be and as a fan I don't like being spoon fed bullshit. Manfredo can't be respected by me because he does fight scared and he doesn't push through it. Now people might complain about Wladimir Klitschko "fighting scared" but the deal with Wlad is he fights through fear and any other adversity and that's why he's a great champion and Peter Manfredo is a bum.

I hope to God Sergio Mora one day decides to fight a big time power puncher and he gets what is coming to him...which is a vicious KO loss! I don't hate Mora as a comentator actually, same with Tarver but in the ring, both of them irk me something fierce.