Mayweather - Cotto 2, December 1st, MGM Grand

[shza]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

[TitoFan]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

[Violent Demise]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

[Onix]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say. And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it. Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

Tito was referring to me on that one, I said Canelo might be the bigger cash draw. I still stand by that. I wont try explaining why because Tito wants to ignore that point and make it about ethnicity

[greynotsoold]

I think that Mayweather is taking this fight because he has Cotto figured out. Before going to jail he said he would fight again in November or december. His conditioning will be an issue, but my guess is that he thinks he has Cotto figured out enough, after the last fight, that he can handle him impressively while not at his physical peak.

[Ant Live]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

[IamInuit]

Floyd is genius. Rumors of a Cotto rematch is just a throw off to Pacman. Let Pacman, NOT fight Bradley in a rematch!!! Floyd is going to jump on that fight so fast. Cotto can be an 2nd option. Floyd do fight for money first, but he also is at te end of his career and also fighting for legacy. A fight with bradley(if Arum allow it) will say he beat the guy who beat the guy.

I hear what you are saying but the entire planet knows who actually won the fight and in addition there really is no money in it and lets be honest...Arum wont allow this.

If Floyd is truly concerned for legacy at this point then he will make a play for Martinez at the 155 catch that Sergio offered and get the man at middle.

[TitoFan]

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

Ok... one last ditch attempt to keep this objective. Here's a perfectly good post from an objective observer. Read it... and tell me ANYTHING he said there that's not correct. See... here's the difference between you guys (Onix and VD) and myself: I give Mexican fighters (some) their props when they're deserved. And don't take my word for it. Go back through my posts and you'll see. You (Onix) give Puerto Rican fighters props... but they're usually backhanded compliments meant to give as much praise as to dump shit on them. Whereas VD doesn't even bother. He just blurts out his anti-Puerto Rican shit whenever it suits him.... and has NEVER given any Puerto Rican fighter props or credit for ANYTHING. Which of course seriously undermines the little credibility he thinks he has here. Nobody really takes him seriously. He's more like a cartoon character. He thinks up cool-sounding one-liners and uses them to make himself sound tough and "bad to the bone".

Even something as straightforward and simple as who's the biggest star right now, between Cotto and Canelo, turns into a PR vs. Mexican affair. But don't take my word for it. Read the objective, uninterested opinion of the attached post. That says it all. Not how many Mexicans vs. how many Puerto Ricans exist. That has absolutely nothing to do with it, and is an asinine argument. If you go strictly by PPV numbers, you gotta know Cotto blows Canelo away just because he's been a star that much longer, and has headlined many PPV events, whereas Canelo has yet to headline ONE. You gotta be blind not to see that. And of course you both fit that description perfectly. At least Onix has streaks of clear-headedness where he sees the light once in awhile, and will admit to a few things. But then that slight flicker of light goes out and he's back to insulting and making asinine arguments. (Hence the nickname Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde). But VD is another story altogether. His thuggish personna prevents him from having any sense of objectiveness about boxing whatsoever. So he resorts to calling people fags, punks, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. It's worked on some people, I guess. But VD... you want some advice? The act is wearing thin. You gotta get by on something more than just street talk and poor attempts at intimidation. Try it... you might be surprised at the results.

What the fuck are you talking about? It never fails. You and that other clown always post a bunch of useless nonsense that has nothing to do with anything as a way to cover up the fact that you can't counter shit I say.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the argument, moron. The fact that you have shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that you're incapable of being objective, removes any credibility from your stupid arguments. Or would you like me to explain it to you in Spanish? Oh that's right. You only know one language.... "thug-ese".

And I swear to God you 2 are without a doubt the 2 biggest pussies alive. Where is the street talk at? Where's the intimidation attempt? I'm stating straight facts. The fact that you take it that way makes me feel sorry for you. I can only imagine what you go through in real life. You always go to the intimidation attempt nonsense when you can't counter what I say or to piggy back your lies off it.

Counter what you say?? Like the nugget of wisdom that Mexicans "want it more", or that Cotto is only in it for the money? Nuggets like that, moron?? Your nonsense doesn't MERIT an answer. Got it? It doesn't merit a fucking answer. Start posting shit that makes sense, and you'll get meaningful responses from me. Don't worry..... I won't hold my breath.

Case in point. Show me where I said Alvarez is a bigger star than Cotto? Show me where I said he was a bigger PPV star than Cotto? This thread ain't that long. Shouldn't be to hard to find them. Or maybe there just made up lies.

Onix said it... and you agreed with him. Also added the cute little line that I think Cotto is the bigger star 'cause I'm Puerto Rican like him. How perfectly witty of you. Do you write your own material?

Well..... let it be known that I tried to civil with your street ass.
I should've known better.

[hardcore_crash]

Would anyone mind if Canelo fought Mayorga next? Or is it ok for Cotto to do that a little over 14 months ago?

Last I remember, Canelo was in line to fight James Kirkland, Paul Williams, Victor Ortiz.
It's not his fault those fights didn't go through, IMO, Canelo IS looking for the toughest fights. He's called out Cotto, Mayweather and just about ANYONE not named Martinez (that I know of, though I believe he would fight him).

As for Cotto/Mayweather II, JMM is my favorite fighter and he's from Mexico. On top of that, he filled in nice at his second fight at 144 beating Pacquiao IMO ; I wouldn't mind seeing JMM/Mayweather II based on those reasons. Lol