Mayweather - Cotto 2, December 1st, MGM Grand

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

[Violent Demise]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

On the fact that he's Puerto Rican like him

[jon09]

I can't see Mayweather being ready by then for any fight. And it really means nothing if Mayweather beats him again anyways. The way Mayweather picks his opponents I just can't see it being made. Cotto should go after the winner of Bundrage vs Spinks and maybe that will entice Floyd for an early 2013 fight. And end the year with a unification match with Canelo in the fall.

at least Mayweather is willing to give Cotto a fair rematch, unlike Pacquiao who wanted yet another catchweight fight

But we have not heard anything from Floyd yet and it is all rumor. And yes I give Floyd alot of credit if he does decide to fight Cotto again. I just don't see the purpose besides the money. I personally think Mayweather should get Bradley in the ring and end his career fighting Canelo. But who knows maybe Miss Jackson is bleeding his fortune buying shoes and everything else so he has to fight more for the money.

[TitoFan]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

No answer and then you mysteriously disappear huh Tito HAHAHA.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It will be like the first fight with a similar outcome, it's just a money making rematch. I think Cotto should go after Canelo or Trout, somebody of that calibre and rebuild his name and maybe rematch Floyd down the line. I don't see the point in an
Immediate rematch, it was pretty clear Floyd won so why does he needs to prove it again in his next fight? Weird...

Warrior Cotto is dead. It's Money Miguel now. Cotto no longer cares rather he wins or loses. It's only about the money for him now. The old warrior Cotto would of never coward out of a fight against Saul Alvarez like Money Miguel did. Sad.

yea cause beating up Cotto's leftovers should have earned Alvarez a shot against him? lol VD you're always so full of shit bro, let Canelo fight someone who ISN'T SHOT beyond shit, Canelo "I love leftovers" Alvarez has yet to face a top 5 guy, cause sorry Cintron and Mosley don't count , let him fight Lara, Trout, Molina, or even Martirosyan, all of them are a step up to the crap he's been fighting

Ha! Cotto is coming off a clear cut loss and doesn't even hold a title. Yet now muthafukkas need to "earn" a shot to face him? Get the fuck on with that bullshit. That's some of the dumbest shit I ever read.
Fighters now must "earn" there shot to face a fighter coming off a loss. Fucking hilarious

he lost to the man who is considered P4P #1 in the world, he didn't go ahead and fight a washed up fighter who hadn't won in over 2 yrs, Canelo needs Cotto not vice versa, that's why the ginger is the one who has to EARN the shot, either way the only Cotto that the ginger will hold a W against is Jose Miguel, and even in that fight he was almost sparked

Yet again you show your ignorance and how little you really know about the sport. Alvarez is about to headline his first PPV as the A player. With or without Money Miguel. He already has his established fan base and is considered a cash cow. He don't need Cotto. He wants Cotto. But Cotto don't want him. Cuz he knows the beating that awaits him. You can spit all the little gay excuses you want. But bottom line is this. Alvarez-Cotto would be big and make a lot of money. And it's clearly more interesting than Mayweather-Cotto 2

beating? lol Canelo looked flat against a small shot Shane Mosley, you go on burning other fighters for just beating up nobodies and shot over the hill fighters yet as always you're here just throwing roses at Canelo lol fucking hypocrite, as I said, the only Cotto that Alvarez would ever hold a W against is Jose, Miguel Cotto stomps the ginger easier than he beat the cheating fuck lol

You wanna see a hypocrite? Look in the fucking mirror. That fag staring back at you is the hypocrite. I told you before your not a boxing fan. Your a Cotto fan. You pretend otherwise but it's pitiful how transparent you really are. Your quick to bad mouth Alvarez when he fought Kermit Cintron and Shane Mosley. Saying there shot and he should be fighting better fighters. Yet when Alvarez expresses a desire to face the best fighters around his weight (Mayweather and Cotto) you come up with moronic shit that he has to "earn" his shot. Stupid shit just for the sake of hating

hahahaha really bro? you of all people are gonna try and call ANYONE a fucking fanboy?! lol there are plenty of other fighters around at 154 that Alvarez could have fought instead of Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez, Cintron, and Mosley lol when that's your last 5 opponents well it tells the true story when there are guys like Kirkland, Trout, Molina, Lara, even Martirosyan, Angulo, and Quintana are a step up to his last five opponents, I'm not blaming Alvarez for his next fight cause he did go after at least two good fights and it's not his fault that both went flat (Williams had the accident and Kirkland was injured) but the fact that he was waiting for a smaller guy to get a win and be his next opponent says all you need to know, why the fuck fight Ortiz instead of any of the aforementioned opponents? it's as simple as this apart from fanbase (and he hasn't even headlined a fight card even on a minor PPV) what separates Canelo from anyone at 154 other than Cotto and Mayweather, that's right not a damn thing

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

On the fact that he's Puerto Rican like him

or the fact that he hasn't fought on an undercard since 2004 when he fought N'Dou on the undercard of Pacquiao/JMM I, and that he's headlined 8 PPV's how can you say Canelo brings in the big bucks (PPV-wise) when he's never headlined one

[Maravilla2012]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

[shza]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

Canelo has yet to headline any ppv. My best guess is that if you took a random survey of Americans, more people would have heard of Cotto than Canelo. I'm sure that will change but he's not there yet. It's fine -- as you said, he's only 21.

[shza]

There is no way Alvarez-Martirosyan happens. Cuz every time it's time for Martirosyan to fight some one with a pulse he pulls out. Bundrage is set to fight Spinks. That's set. So it won 't be him. Trout would indeed be a garbage fight

I don't think that follows. He was going to fight Ortiz, who had a fight exactly one week before Bundrage/Spinks. Not that this is a good or exciting thing, mind you.

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

Not about what ethnicity either is. Its about who would bring in more money on a fight at this point in their careers. Cotto is a huge star but even if every Puerto Rican watched the fight it wouldnt take a quarter of the Mexican and Mexican Amercian population to watch the fight to bring in more money through PPV and live gate anywhere other than NY.

The orginal discussion was that Canelo wasnt the star so he doesnt get to call the shots, in reality the person who bring in more money is the one who calls the shots it doesnt matter if they have fought all fighters with losiing recrods and tomatoe cans and they were protected all their careers, etc, etc. What matters is who bring in the money and I think thre is a strong possibility that its Canelo not Cotto hence he is the bigger star and he would call the shots.

[Maravilla2012]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

Not about what ethnicity either is. Its about who would bring in more money on a fight at this point in their careers. Cotto is a huge star but even if every Puerto Rican watched the fight it wouldnt take a quarter of the Mexican and Mexican Amercian population to watch the fight to bring in more money through PPV and live gate anywhere other than NY.

The orginal discussion was that Canelo wasnt the star so he doesnt get to call the shots, in reality the person who bring in more money is the one who calls the shots it doesnt matter if they have fought all fighters with losiing recrods and tomatoe cans and they were protected all their careers, etc, etc. What matters is who bring in the money and I think thre is a strong possibility that its Canelo not Cotto hence he is the bigger star and he would call the shots.

The point I wanted to make was that he is just barley 21 and already supposed to headline a ppv. When both of their careers are over Canelo will have made more then Cotto. Even HBO say that he has a Rock Star status and has a fan base not seen since De la Hoya

[shza]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

Canelo is a bigger star because he is only 21 years old and is champion and headlining his own ppv's. He is undefeated hungry and young beating every challenge ( even if they arn't too challenging ) put in front of him. He was lined up to face some good fighters in Paul Williams , Kirland , and Ortiz so you can't really blame him for the opposition that he has gone against. Cotto on the other hand is no longer a warrior losing all of his big fights except for the one against the half-handicapped Antonio Margarito. He had a good fight with Mayweather but I doubt he has any other performances like that left. Based on those FACTS right now at the moment Canelo is a bigger star. Has nothing at all to do with ethnicity I don't know why you all always bring that into the discussion.

Not about what ethnicity either is. Its about who would bring in more money on a fight at this point in their careers. Cotto is a huge star but even if every Puerto Rican watched the fight it wouldnt take a quarter of the Mexican and Mexican Amercian population to watch the fight to bring in more money through PPV and live gate anywhere other than NY.

The orginal discussion was that Canelo wasnt the star so he doesnt get to call the shots, in reality the person who bring in more money is the one who calls the shots it doesnt matter if they have fought all fighters with losiing recrods and tomatoe cans and they were protected all their careers, etc, etc. What matters is who bring in the money and I think thre is a strong possibility that its Canelo not Cotto hence he is the bigger star and he would call the shots.

The point I wanted to make was that he is just barley 21 and already supposed to headline a ppv. When both of their careers are over Canelo will have made more then Cotto. Even HBO say that he has a Rock Star status and has a fan base not seen since De la Hoya

They were saying the same thing about Victor Ortiz two years ago. A lot can happen.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I just don't see the point of PBF V Cotto 2 ? What is the purpose other than money? The result is not in doubt already, it's a meaningless rematch.