Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?

[frankenfrank]

Who?

Norton rematch , Coetzee , Duane Bobick & Nick Wells (4 him apparently ) .
Thumbing Shavers was also a way of avoiding fair fight .
Also no Pinklon Thomas , Michael Dokes & Tony Tubbs , and no rematches vs Carl Williams & Tim Witherspoon whom definitely deserved them .
Lots of bums though .

D thing is , Holmes got easy and good money 4 his defenses vs bums , so it's hard 2 blame him 4 it but it does blemish his record .

[El Kabong]

He never fought Ron Lyle either which IMO would have been a decent fight although Lyle did age quite quickly around 1980....perhaps had he won the Cooney fight he would have garnered a shot

[frankenfrank]

He never fought Ron Lyle either which IMO would have been a decent fight although Lyle did age quite quickly around 1980....perhaps had he won the Cooney fight he would have garnered a shot

which is Y i never felt that he avoided Lyle or anything . Lyle just was not relevant by Holmes'/Cooney's time .

[frankenfrank]

size isn't a bad thing either .
i only stated his strengths 2 precede and hopefully prevent any overrating of other attributes which i don't find him exceptionally good at .

U can't exempt him from fighting Nick Wells & Duane Bobick when u know that he fought d lesser LeDoux , Rodney Bobick & Mike Weaver and yet even worse opponents than these even .

[ICB]

Who?

Norton rematch , Coetzee , Duane Bobick & Nick Wells (4 him apparently ) .
Thumbing Shavers was also a way of avoiding fair fight .
Also no Pinklon Thomas , Michael Dokes & Tony Tubbs , and no rematches vs Carl Williams & Tim Witherspoon whom definitely deserved them .
Lots of bums though .

D thing is , Holmes got easy and good money 4 his defenses vs bums , so it's hard 2 blame him 4 it but it does blemish his record .

Are you kidding me ? Larry Holmes whooped Earnie Shavers twice, apart from that lucky shot in the 7th round of there rematch, Earnie Shavers was dominated in both fights.

Ken Norton didn't get a rematch because he got KO'ed in 1 round by Earnie Shavers, hence why Earnie Shavers got his shot.

Tony Tubbs only started to become a name in 1985 when Larry Holmes was finished, so how did he duck him exactly ?

As for the other names they were only champions for a very short time, like Pinklon Thomas had a very short prime. I seriously doubt Larry Holmes would of ducked either of them especially Michael frigging Dokes

[Dark Lord Al]

I have no doubt Larry would have been a very tough match for Clay in his prime , Larry was top draw.

[Dark Lord Al]

can i also add from posts i have read, i conclude.

FRANKENFRANK = FUCKWIT.

FACT!

[beenKOed]

What Holmes did wasn't always pretty but he did get the job done. The more you saw of him the more you liked him. During the interview, after he stopped Cooney, the first thing Holmes said was, "Did ya really think he could beat me?" He was a serious guy about boxing and did not forget insults. I would not rank him above Ali. Holmes was a true Champion and fought everyone.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Larry Holmes was not one of my favorite fighters by a long shot but he kept boxing on the sports page. He had one of the best jabs in boxing but that fight with Cooney was exciting and I liked Cooney but he was a gigantic version of Oscar Delahoya, a converted southpaw with little power in his right hand. Shavers was relearning how to fight because he had zero endurance until he met Ali. Mike Weaver sent him to the canvass giving him a good scare and another guy sent him out of the ring with aright hand and I cannot remember his name but but it was on prime time and Holmes was probably the only heavyweight champ to fight on prime time, 800PM. He fought people that were put in front of him and many were past their primes but they were contenders and he fought the who's who of heavyweight boxing during his era and Ali was already washed up. He was a good fighter and there is no way he was great but he won and he was robbed in the Spinks rematch and I liked Mike. I often wonder if we should just say the great ones had great fights instead of saying they were great because in the scheme of things a lot of fighters had off nights too. Larry made it seem he was on more than he was off because Larry was not afraid to put it on the line and he said some things that did not make people of the old school era happy showing that you can't win them all. One remark made the night of the Spinks fight made many people unhappy and the price of jock straps went up.

[brocktonblockbust]

larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.

[IamInuit]

Holmes was a great fighter and had one of the best walk away jabs I have ever seen but his timing for making a splash in the division was impeccable. Pretty much every person in the top ten to 15 was half spent. Having said that, I think Larry would be in the top 5 in any era.

[rjj tszyu]

Larry Holmes was a great fighter no doubt.

Greatest of all time? No chance IMO. He had no real top notch competitors whilst in his prime and to be that GOAT, you must have the fights that define you. Wlad really reminds me a lot of Holmes. He too is in a poor era of HW boxing and it will be hard to place him in an all time list due to this fact.

I agree that Holmes beat Spinks though, but I actually think he was robbed due to the fact that in the 80's racism was still much more apparent in the media and I basically think they didn't want a black man to take a white mans record. Then again had he dealt with Spinks in the way a true HW should against a LHW (like Tyson did) then it couldn't have happened anyway.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Some of ali's oponents:

-Patterson weighed 188½lbs.

-Quarry weighed 190lbs.

-Frazier 205½lbs for there 1st fight..

-Bob Foster Weighed 180lbs for the ali fight.

-Jimmy elliss was 185LBS for the ali fight.

-Henry-Cooper weighed 185LBS.

-Karl mildenberger 195lbs.

-Leon spinks 197¼ lbs.

-Zora folley 202½.

-Archie moore 191lbs.

-Doug jones 188 lbs.

etc etc

So how is byrd not a HW??

Chris Byrd 215 lbs beat David Tua 233 lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

Chris Byrd 214 lbs beat Evander Holyfield 220 lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

Chris Byrd 210½ lbs drew with Andrew Golota 237½ lbs by PTS in round 12 of 12

Chris Byrd 214 lbs beat Jameel McCline 270 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

Wladimir Klitschko 238 lbs beat Chris Byrd 213½ lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

Chris Byrd 217¼ lbs beat Maurice Harris 224½ lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

Chris Byrd 215 lbs beat Jimmy Thunder 230 lbs by TKO at 1:07 in round 9 of 10

Chris Byrd 213 lbs beat DaVarryl Williamson 225 lbs by UD in round 12 of 12

I don't understand how byrd is not a HW? Holyfield fought as a CW, Michael moorer as a LHW!!