Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?

[Dark Lord Al]

can i also add from posts i have read, i conclude.

FRANKENFRANK = FUCKWIT.

FACT!

[IamInuit]

Holmes was a great fighter and had one of the best walk away jabs I have ever seen but his timing for making a splash in the division was impeccable. Pretty much every person in the top ten to 15 was half spent. Having said that, I think Larry would be in the top 5 in any era.

[beenKOed]

What Holmes did wasn't always pretty but he did get the job done. The more you saw of him the more you liked him. During the interview, after he stopped Cooney, the first thing Holmes said was, "Did ya really think he could beat me?" He was a serious guy about boxing and did not forget insults. I would not rank him above Ali. Holmes was a true Champion and fought everyone.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Larry Holmes was not one of my favorite fighters by a long shot but he kept boxing on the sports page. He had one of the best jabs in boxing but that fight with Cooney was exciting and I liked Cooney but he was a gigantic version of Oscar Delahoya, a converted southpaw with little power in his right hand. Shavers was relearning how to fight because he had zero endurance until he met Ali. Mike Weaver sent him to the canvass giving him a good scare and another guy sent him out of the ring with aright hand and I cannot remember his name but but it was on prime time and Holmes was probably the only heavyweight champ to fight on prime time, 800PM. He fought people that were put in front of him and many were past their primes but they were contenders and he fought the who's who of heavyweight boxing during his era and Ali was already washed up. He was a good fighter and there is no way he was great but he won and he was robbed in the Spinks rematch and I liked Mike. I often wonder if we should just say the great ones had great fights instead of saying they were great because in the scheme of things a lot of fighters had off nights too. Larry made it seem he was on more than he was off because Larry was not afraid to put it on the line and he said some things that did not make people of the old school era happy showing that you can't win them all. One remark made the night of the Spinks fight made many people unhappy and the price of jock straps went up.

[brocktonblockbust]

larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.

What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?

I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.

At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good

[BIG H]

larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.

What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?

I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.

At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good

That was the worst version of Holmes that ever entered the ring (apart from versus Butterbean) He was better in his forties than he was when he fought Tyson.

Prime for prime that's seriously hard to call!! If Holmes could get up from that Shavers punch and win the fight, I'm not sure how you get rid of him!!

[TitoFan]

If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.

[Master]

Yes he might possibly be other than Ali, I think he could beat the other great heavyweights in history. He did not achieve the 25 defences that Joe Louis did and he did have some lucky decisions (Carl Williams) and knock downs (Snipes) but at his best he had the greatest chin and left jabs in history.

Holmes v Lewis and Wlad would be interesting as Holmes would have to work out a way past their jabs and their sheer size.

[IamInuit]

If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.

History and some historians frown on him a bit because of the battle worn crew he entered into. Now that's not his fault unless one suspects that he planned it anymore then it was Marciano's fault or presently Wlads. People also factor in King and the Ali fight. I mean it looks more opportunistic then a sub adult male black bear recently kicked to the curb by its mother. I cant think of a lower move by a promoter.

I believe those two things effect opinion greatly.

[Master]

If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.

History and some historians frown on him a bit because of the battle worn crew he entered into. Now that's not his fault unless one suspects that he planned it anymore then it was Marciano's fault or presently Wlads. People also factor in King and the Ali fight. I mean it looks more opportunistic then a sub adult male black bear recently kicked to the curb by its mother. I cant think of a lower move by a promoter.

I believe those two things effect opinion greatly.

I do not think it was Holmes beating Ali but more because he came straight after him. Holmes was quality and very under appreciated champ. Loved his victory over Mercer, that was emotional.

[Mr140]

I think Evander could do just as well against Holmes if he was prime just because he went the distance with him doesn't mean shit because Evander won very clearly. Evander Holyfeild was not a knock out artist and Holmes was almost 30 pounds heavier then Holyfeild was, like most fights Evander was fighting with a guy way heavier then him and taller as well. I don't rate Holyfeild above Holmes as a heavyweight even though Evanders top wins were better, but atg great and pound for pound i feel Holyfeild was a far greater fighter then Holmes was just saying.

[bigstinkybug]

*C'mon... i can mention 10 guys in the last 20 years that would beat Holmes... so NO... not even close.

[IamInuit]

*C'mon... i can mention 10 guys in the last 20 years that would beat Holmes... so NO... not even close.

So name them. 10 guys in the last 20 years?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams.