Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!

[ICB]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!

No he didn't lose to Witherspoon, Williams, they were close fights but Holmes edged them. I had Holmes winning both fights by 1 point, the commentators were very biased towards Witherspoon especially Dundee horrible commentary.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!

No he didn't lose to Witherspoon, Williams, they were close fights but Holmes edged them. I had Holmes winning both fights by 1 point, the commentators were very biased towards Witherspoon especially Dundee horrible commentary.

Sure **** he did! He had Holmes on the verge of knockout in the 9th and outshone him in the majority of the rounds. Isn't it proof enough that one judge scored it for Witherspoon, the underdog?

Can remember Larry being interviewed after the fight, and it was pointed out, that most people thought he'd lost.. He wasn't at all dismissive, & just responded by saying, it was up to the judges.. I got the distinct impression, that Holmes felt he'd been very lucky.. Meanwhile Witherspoon was ranting furiously, and claiming victory in the face of a robbery..

He definitely deserved a rematch as did Carl Williams, in my opinion.

[ICB]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!

No he didn't lose to Witherspoon, Williams, they were close fights but Holmes edged them. I had Holmes winning both fights by 1 point, the commentators were very biased towards Witherspoon especially Dundee horrible commentary.

Sure **** he did! He had Holmes on the verge of knockout in the 9th and outshone him in the majority of the rounds. Isn't it proof enough that one judge scored it for Witherspoon, the underdog?

Can remember Larry being interviewed after the fight, and it was pointed out, that most people thought he'd lost.. He wasn't at all dismissive, & just responded by saying, it was up to the judges.. I got the distinct impression, that Holmes felt he'd been very lucky.. Meanwhile Witherspoon was ranting furiously, and claiming victory in the face of a robbery..

He definitely deserved a rematch as did Carl Williams, in my opinion.

I never see the interview but i saw it as a very close fight, with the commentator's being very biased towards Tim Witherspoon. I remember Tim Witherspoon being very good defensively with his Ken Norton like defence parrying Larry Holmes's jab.

But often he didn't punch enough and Larry Holmes edged rounds being more busy, yes he had Larry Holmes hurt in the 9th round. But you also forget to mention Larry Holmes had Tim Witherspoon stunned badly and finished the round very strong. In no way was it a robbery though either man could of won it, was a very close fight.

As for Carl Williams i remember Carl Williams being ahead after 11 rounds, but then i remember he faded and lost the last 3 or 4 rounds in a row. Which probably gave Larry Holmes the edge, but again a very close fight could of gone either way no robbery.

[ICB]

I remember someone on this forum telling me once, Chris Byrd was the Jimmy Young of his era i think thats a very good comparison.

[bigstinkybug]

*The philosopher is true to his name with that awesome breakdown of Cris Byrd...

*U guys aren't gunna believe this ,but my whole Holmes debate was really to get to this point... cuz i knew people would debate Cris Bird. Man, i forgot about James Thunder.

*Another point i liked from "the philosopher"is what he said about Jamile Mccline. Mccline was a beast.. a true heavyweight in a heavyweits body. People forget just how tough and threatening this man really was.

p.s.. if i misspell alot, please excuse ,as i am posting from my phone....

[Violent Demise]

*The philosopher is true to his name with that awesome breakdown of Cris Byrd...

*U guys aren't gunna believe this ,but my whole Holmes debate was really to get to this point... cuz i knew people would debate Cris Bird. Man, i forgot about James Thunder.

*Another point i liked from "the philosopher"is what he said about Jamile Mccline. Mccline was a beast.. a true heavyweight in a heavyweits body. People forget just how tough and threatening this man really was.

p.s.. if i misspell alot, please excuse ,as i am posting from my phone....

Mccline was built like a monster. To bad he fought like a pussy. The way he went down and coward in a corner against Wlad was pathitic.

Byrd-Williamson remains one of the worse I fights I ever seen in life.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Phil i read about six words of your post and realised your a bit of a sociapath. And a dim one at that.

I didn't rate him because I found him boring and a bit of a powder puff.

Then he had those last two fights at cruiser and then lightheavy and it was like a light went on....

The guy went 30+ rounds with the K-Bros and nearly everyone else worth fighting while now clearly being a blownup lightheavy weight. Your little story does nothing to prove otherwise.

Like I said... he's a very very brave man.

Also... How you assumed I don't rate this guy and that guy from this statement I'll never know

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree. You clearly don't.

[IamInuit]

No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.

He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!

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And Ali lost to and 6 and 1 Spinks.