Ali-Holmes, How Did They Allow This Fight to Happen...

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Because it's ALI we should feel outrage that a young gun dared to fight him towards his latter years?? Ali was the the Ring & WBA World Heavyweight champion and 37 years old (a year older than wlad is now!)

-Patterson was 37 when ali faced him!!

-Liston was probably 40.

-Chuvalo was nearly 40.

-Foster was in his mid 30's.

etc

You want to talk distasteful? then lets talk about a 47 yr old Jerry Quarry (9 years of inactivie) vs Ron Cramer! A very distastful "Event" that should never of been allowed.

[Master]

Age is not the issue, it was the amount of wear and tear PHILOSOPHER. Sonny went 15-1 after the defeat to Ali, so he was far from finished.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Age is not the issue, it was the amount of wear and tear PHILOSOPHER. Sonny went 15-1 after the defeat to Ali, so he was far from finished.

Everything about sonny liston is pretty shady! His birth, his mob ties, his death....

His record has to be taken with an air of scepticism. So do the ali fight's too. He quit on his stool in the first with the scores evenly matched and the 2nd fight was laughable!

[Master]

Age is not the issue, it was the amount of wear and tear PHILOSOPHER. Sonny went 15-1 after the defeat to Ali, so he was far from finished.

Everything about sonny liston is pretty shady! His birth, his mob ties, his death....

His record has to be taken with an air of scepticism. So do the ali fight's too. He quit on his stool in the first with the scores evenly matched and the 2nd fight was laughable!

The fights with Ali are what they are, Ali was better.

The winning streak that Liston put together was impressive and genuine.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

The fights with Ali are what they are, Ali was better.

The winning streak that Liston put together was impressive and genuine

Was it?

Willis Earls finished with a career record of 12-15

Roger Rischer 29-13

Sonny Moore 24-38

etc etc LOL.

Anyway, im sorry if i sound off about ali but i tend to avoid the hyperbole and stick to facts.

[Master]

The fights with Ali are what they are, Ali was better.

The winning streak that Liston put together was impressive and genuine

Was it?

Willis Earls finished with a career record of 12-15

Roger Rischer 29-13

Sonny Moore 24-38

etc etc LOL.

Anyway, im sorry if i sound off about ali but i tend to avoid the hyperbole and stick to facts.

Liston beat some decent fighters and was working his way back to a title shot.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Was it?

Willis Earls finished with a career record of 12-15

Roger Rischer 29-13

Sonny Moore 24-38

etc etc LOL.

Anyway, im sorry if i sound off about ali but i tend to avoid the hyperbole and stick to facts.

The facts would suggest he was not only a superstar, but the most dominant champion in the most competitive era of heavyweight boxing?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Because it's ALI we should feel outrage that a young gun dared to fight him towards his latter years?? Ali was the the Ring & WBA World Heavyweight champion and 37 years old (a year older than wlad is now!)

-Patterson was 37 when ali faced him!!

-Liston was probably 40.

-Chuvalo was nearly 40.

-Foster was in his mid 30's.

etc

You want to talk distasteful? then lets talk about a 47 yr old Jerry Quarry (9 years of inactivie) vs Ron Cramer! A very distastful "Event" that should never of been allowed.

Ali was retired at 37, and actually read the facts and his age is the least of the issues at hand, Ali technically wasn't even medically cleared and yet was still given a license, that's the problem, just cause you have a vendetta against Muhammad doesn't take away that he most likely suffered permanent damage from this fight and his condition is worse than what it would have been had someone stepped up and said, NO we can't allow you to take this fight, I said that Ali clearly isn't the only one who's been put into this situation and that officials need to do their jobs and stop this shit from happening

[El Kabong]

Ali should have ______, Ali should have ______.......it's all hindsight Evander Holyfield still wants to fight and he's still getting licesed after several and I mean SEVERAL events where he should have called it a career: the fights vs Bowe, the Moorer fight where he thought he was having a heart attack, the Toney fight where he injued his shoulders, etc.

The only redeeming thing about the Holyfield situation is that both Klitschko brothers have stated that they would never fight Evander for any amount of money out of respect for him and worries about his safety.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ali should have ______, Ali should have ______.......it's all hindsight Evander Holyfield still wants to fight and he's still getting licesed after several and I mean SEVERAL events where he should have called it a career: the fights vs Bowe, the Moorer fight where he thought he was having a heart attack, the Toney fight where he injued his shoulders, etc.

The only redeeming thing about the Holyfield situation is that both Klitschko brothers have stated that they would never fight Evander for any amount of money out of respect for him and worries about his safety.

that only backs up what I'm saying, Holyfield shouldn't be licensed at all, should have been denied a license a long time ago

[El Kabong]

that only backs up what I'm saying, Holyfield shouldn't be licensed at all, should have been denied a license a long time ago

Agreed, Riddick Bowe was stammering and slurring through sentences after the Hoyfield matches as was Evander and boxing just doesn't need another punch drunk poster boy, especially consdering what ESPN is attempting to do with football.....which is ban it.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Ali was retired at 37, and actually read the facts and his age is the least of the issues at hand, Ali technically wasn't even medically cleared and yet was still given a license, that's the problem, just cause you have a vendetta against Muhammad doesn't take away that he most likely suffered permanent damage from this fight and his condition is worse than what it would have been had someone stepped up and said, NO we can't allow you to take this fight, I said that Ali clearly isn't the only one who's been put into this situation and that officials need to do their jobs and stop this shit from happening

I think age has a lot to do with it, that and the fact that his defensive arsenal in his 30's mainly consisted of laying on the ropes and turning himself into a human punchbag! You want to talk fighters fighting with 'wear and tear' or 'medical issues'?? Try ali's supposed career best performance, the virtuoso performance ppl always allude to to highlight peak ali's powers, cleveland williams:

Williams had been inactive the entire year of 1965 while recovering from gunshot wound. Williams was shot with a .357 Magnum in the abdomen, barely survived, and suffered permanent kidney damage, a loss of over ten feet of his small intestine, and nerve damage from the bullet which affected his left leg above the knee, causing it to atrophy as a result. 10 months later he fought ali!! Ali was beating up on near cripples!

Oh ya and let's not forget ali vs a 47 year old 190lb archie moore who at that point in his life was acting in hollywod movies playing slaves!!

Distasteful is a 47 yr old Jerry Quarry (9 years of inactivie) vs Ron Cramer! Not linear champ ali fighting holmes for the WBA belt...

Distasteful is calling joe frazier an ugly gorilla or 'all white men devils'....Distasteful is parading around in a silly pantomine outfit whilst his countrymen are dying in vietnam! Distasteful is puppeteering for elijah muhammed! Ali v holmes was not distasteful it was a changing of the guard fight, nothing more. Ali fought men who had no business fighting him....or indeed even boxing!!

[brocktonblockbust]

alı had takken a specıal weıght loss drug and magıcally got down to 216 for the fıght---ıt fooled everybody by severely blockıng nutrıent absorptıon as well as dehydratıng hım. he looked so great ıt fooled hım too ınto thınkııng he couold do ıt agaınst holmes. thıs weıght loss drug had alot to do wıth hıs beıng confıdent he could wın thıs fıght.