Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime

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Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

[El Kabong]

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

[TitoFan]

Why are Klitschko fans and Tyson fans mutually exclusive groups? Can't they both be admired in their own right for what they've accomplished? Typically predictable of you, Lyle, to rattle off 9 heavyweights who would "beat a prime Tyson". Personally I think it's a reaction to those who maintain that Tyson would've beaten Wlad. In your opinion... not only does he NOT beat Wlad.... but here are a bunch of bums who Tyson would've lost to as well.

Tyson fans are almost as bad. Wlad suffered some ugly KO's early in his career, so Tyson would undoubtedly tear him a new one. Is it that simple? Wlad has evolved, to be sure. His dominance of the division is pretty unparalleled in HW history. Partly Wlad.... partly the division. Whatever the reason, it's the truth. Tyson lost to a big, strong, athletic heavyweight in Buster Douglas. That Douglas was never that good again, is another story. But that night he was. He showed the world that if you have size, power... and refuse to get bullied by Tyson.... you have a chance. If Wlad fought like Douglas did.... he certainly has the size and power. Chin? I don't know. Douglas did get up after that left hook from hell, and with the benefit of a long count. But he got up. Would Wlad? Who knows....

Can't one be great without the other being shit?

[El Kabong]

I never said Tyson was shit, I think Tyson was great.....just not as great as ross thinks he is

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prıme tyson 1985-88 smokes just about everyfuckıngbody. too young, too explosıve, too savage.

[Glinchdogg]

prıme tyson 1985-88 smokes just about everyfuckıngbody. too young, too explosıve, too savage.

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People resent putting Mike in an all time top ten greaest heavyweight list. Ok, as in "great" up to the point he beat Spinks he was phenomenal but hadnt had a "career" as yet.

He wiped out a division, unified, beat the linear champ and the former great. In that amazingly short space of time he could litterally have done nothing more. If his career had ended abruptly for whatever reason after the Spinks fight Mike would not only be in the top ten but hed be in top three along with or behind Ali and Louis with Marciano right behind him.

Ok the man didnt do great things after but you cant dismiss what he was because he chose to fuck his career up by having yes men and managers fuck him over. On acheivments maybe Tyson isnt in the top ten, thats down to opinion on how much credit you give him for destroying every viable opponent in a space of about 3 years, compared to other fighters of other eras that avoided certain other foes. If it were mythical match ups, then only a hamdfull of fighters would be favoured to hear the final bell let alone beat Mike. When he fought Douglas he wasnt even training but still managed to nigh on knock him out. If Mike had been as fit and not being babied to keep him happy by King, he would have walked through Douglas. Or at the very least, he would have still had something in the tank to finish him off after that knockdown.

Mercer? Mercer got beat by Holmes years after Tyson flattened him! Some people have to reach or scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a reason to downplay what Mike Tyson was. Back then when he beat Spinks, people were saying that Ali now has a contemporary. When Mike was first around and training right, he looked unbeatable, there is a deffinite visable decline starting with the Bruno fight as King and Givens were distracting him.

[TitoFan]

I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.

I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.

When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.

You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

[El Kabong]

I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.

I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.

When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.

You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

So I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?

Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful

[TitoFan]

I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.

I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.

When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.

You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

So I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?

Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful

Lyle.............. Bowe?? You know how you've slagged on Bowe (and I've been right behind you).
THAT, Lyle.... is disrespectful.

Ernie Terrell? C'mon, man.

And no disrespect to the great Smokin' Joe, but Frazier? Tyson murders even a prime Frazier inside of 5 rounds. Joe never got hit with anything like what Tyson would have to offer, at least not from Ali. And Foreman? Foreman was big and powerful... but his punches were slower and more telegraphed. Tyson would've landed a powerful combo on Joe's head faster than you could blink.

Again, I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan..... but give the guy his just due.

[TitoFan]

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

When you got to "Mercer" you were reaching, and then it only went downhill from there.

[El Kabong]

When you got to "Mercer" you were reaching, and then it only went downhill from there.

Really? I mean let's check what Ray had that could trouble Tyson. A good jab (check), a granite chin (check), good power (check), and he was not easily bullied. Now sure Ray had an inconsistent career but the Ray Mercer that demolished Tommy Morrison and the Ray Mercer that went toe to toe with Lennox Lewis WOULD beat Mike Tyson, I'm sorry but that's just the way I see it. Ray had everything to beat Tyson in his arsenal.

Sonny Liston could be added to the list as well, he handled Floyd Patterson REALLY easily, I'm sure Tyson would last longer, but how much longer is the question.

I didn't mention Wladimir not because I don't think he could beat Tyson on his night, I mean he obviously could (and Tyson could do the same to Wlad, I admit as much), but I did not want people thinking I'm just hating on Tyson. I'm not just hating, I like Mike Tyson he was very fun to watch fight, he's an intriguing fellow but I'm realistic about his greatness.

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Rays power wasnt that great. Morrisons chin wasnt that great. Mercer would never have done what Tyson did to Holmes, he also couldnt hurt Lewis even though he landed a fair few shots, so he doesnt even hit as hard as Mikes old sparring partner

[El Kabong]

Rays power wasnt that great. Morrisons chin wasnt that great. Mercer would never have done what Tyson did to Holmes, he also couldnt hurt Lewis even though he landed a fair few shots, so he doesnt even hit as hard as Mikes old sparring partner

Erroneous...Buster Douglas was not a huge puncher but he outlasted Tyson and why Because he was bigger and made Tyson work for everything he got. I stand by my picks

[Kirkland Laing]

Rays power wasnt that great. Morrisons chin wasnt that great. Mercer would never have done what Tyson did to Holmes, he also couldnt hurt Lewis even though he landed a fair few shots, so he doesnt even hit as hard as Mikes old sparring partner

Erroneous...Buster Douglas was not a huge puncher but he outlasted Tyson and why Because he was bigger and made Tyson work for everything he got. I stand by my picks

When Tyson got to Tokyo to fight Douglas he was weakened by various medications to treat "several" STDs he was carrying, he hadn't trained for the fight and was thirty pounds overweight. King's people put him in the sauna for a week to try and get him looking relatively normal so he wouldn't look like a big fat bastard on fight night. He was ignoring his trainers and his corner was shambolic, they were using a condom filled with water because they didn't have an icepack. Etc etc.

If a remotely close to fit/prime Tyson had turned up the fight would have been over a lot faster than Holyfield-Douglas was.