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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Easy UD for Monzon.

    Hopkins is not even on Taylor's level, so how the heck should he stand a chance against a monster like Monzon.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44 View Post
    Easy UD for Monzon.

    Hopkins is not even on Taylor's level, so how the heck should he stand a chance against a monster like Monzon.

    Oh please. Monzon was almost stopped by an already ancient Briscoe, had to work his ass off with a long in the tooth Griffith twice and managed to stop an over the hill Napoles 2 divisions out of his weight class. The only other legit contender he fought was Benvenuti twice and the first one was fight of the year against a guy who had close to 90 fights. Monzon is one of the most overrated middle weights that ever lived.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Carlos Monzon had a very basic boxing style, a bit like Kelly Pavlik with the jab/right hand. Although obviously Carlos Monzon is better than Kelly Pavlik, but from what i've seen from Carlos Monzon. I can't see him dealing with the slick B-Hop and i see Carlos Monzon losing a pretty clear decision.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Flopkins is together with Toney the most overrated boxer of the last 20 years. If he is so great why are so many of his fights so close? Taylor is no world-beater but he went on top with Hopkins. Hopkins was humiliated by featherfisted Calzaghe and only the notorious racist judge Adalaide Byrd saved him from a devastating defeat. He was faking and holding like a child in that fight. Disgusting.

    He beat a Pavlik there should have been on a rehap-center instead of a in a boxing-ring. No deal.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44 View Post
    Flopkins is together with Toney the most overrated boxer of the last 20 years. If he is so great why are so many of his fights so close? Taylor is no world-beater but he went on top with Hopkins. Hopkins was humiliated by featherfisted Calzaghe and only the notorious racist judge Adalaide Byrd saved him from a devastating defeat. He was faking and holding like a child in that fight. Disgusting.

    He beat a Pavlik there should have been on a rehap-center instead of a in a boxing-ring. No deal.
    Flopkins as you call him was the first middleweight to unify the division since Hagler and defended his title 20 times, I don't particularly like the guy but that's not relevant. Lots of great fighters throughout history have fought close fights especially when the style used is a blend of counter punching, crowding and behind a cagey defense. I mean Robinson lost two fights to Paul Pender by SD so I guess he's not a great middle weight either.

    And Calzaghe wrecked his hands around the time of Shieka and up to that point had one of the best ko ratios in boxing. He was told in no uncertain terms to take something off his shots or have an early end to a career. He adapted and as a result retired undefeated and a multi millionaire.

    Tony never fought at middle weight long enough to even enter a conversation about that weight class.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Monzon would've been taller than Hopkins, Monzon also had a granite like chin and Hopkins would not knock him out. Monzon had a huge right hand, thus the nickname 'shotgun' ! Monzon wins everytime, because he would just find a way.

    “Monzón is the complete fighter. He can box, he can hit, he can think, and he is game all the way."~Angelo Dundee

    Monzon is without doubt one of the 3 best Middleweights of all time, he drank, he smoked cigars, he fucked anything that moved, got shot by one of his wives, beat up on paparazzi and only began training one month before any scheduled world title fight.

    While still a champion, a darker side of Monzón would begin to emerge. In 1973, Monzón was shot in the leg by his wife, requiring 7 hours of surgery to remove the bullet. In 1975, he began a very publicized romance with the famous actress and vedette Susana Giménez; they had previously met in the 1974 thriller La Mary, directed by Daniel Tinayre, where the two played husband and wife. Monzón hated paparazzi who detailed his affairs. He went to Italy with Giménez to participate in a movie and started increasingly traveling with her to locations in Brazil and the rest of Latin America, letting himself be seen with her, though still married. He was accused of domestic violence and of beating paparazzi. The fascination of the media with Monzón's private life reached its highest point with his trial for the murder of his concubine and his death in a car crash soon thereafter.
    Can you imagine what this guy would've have accomplished had he really tried?
    Monzon was a sinister character and not that well known in the USA, but in the ring he was a beast, a fighter who was the best in the world at the time fighting at approximately 75-80% of his best due to an out of control lifestyle.
    There is a movie to be made here and what a story it is.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    Monzon would've been taller than Hopkins, Monzon also had a granite like chin and Hopkins would not knock him out. Monzon had a huge right hand, thus the nickname 'shotgun' ! Monzon wins everytime, because he would just find a way.

    All of those attributes especially the one in bold also apply to Hopkins. At 38 he pimp slaps the savior of the division in Pavlik albeit at a catch and then jumps two divisions up and slaughters Tarver.

    “Monzón is the complete fighter. He can box, he can hit, he can think, and he is game all the way."~Angelo Dundee

    Dundee has said the same things about Hopkins and Monzon stood straighter up then Amir Khan.

    Monzon is without doubt one of the 3 best Middleweights of all time, he drank, he smoked cigars, he fucked anything that moved, got shot by one of his wives, beat up on paparazzi and only began training one month before any scheduled world title fight.

    I don't agree and challenge anyone to show it. Tell me one prime middleweight of note he beat? Just one? He sat in Argentina and was spoon fed his legacy. Give me one fighter who even had a pulse in his first 50 fights prior to Briscoe in 1967? After that fight give me a contender in the next 30 fights prior to his first fight with Nino and then after that prior to the second Nino fight and the first with Grandpa Griffith. I don't think I have ever seen a more padded record then his. Maybe Lamar Clark.
    Monzon is Urban Legend. I'm not sure he makes my top 20 list. He does place high on my fraud list though.
    That is the math and this is the sentence allowing me to address it inside the quote. Its not personal in any way ftr. I read all your posts and agree more often then not.

    Peace.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    I aways thought Monzon was an overrated "dandy", prime X would have torn Monzon up to the body, and stopped him in one of the later rounds. BTW, I watched a bunch of Monzon's fights live on TV, his style was a pleasure to watch, I don't believe he could have handled Bernard's toughness and rough tactics.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    Quote Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN View Post
    Monzon...... got shot by one of his wives
    He got his own back though.

    Imagine how good he'd have been if he'd turned up for training and led a remotely normal lifestyle.

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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    It's very hard to say, really. However, I'd say Hopkins by a razor sharp decision after he went to the mat once in the first 4 rounds but would edge the fight at the very end with dirty tactics, lot of grabbing and a head butt.
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    Default Re: Carlos Monzon vs. Bernard Hopkins @ MW.

    OMG, impossible. Hence a no-brainer.

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