Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime

[El Kabong]

I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.

I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.

When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.

You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

So I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?

Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful

[TitoFan]

I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan, Lyle. You're barking up the wrong tree. I just cringe when I see you write that any number of mediocre heavyweights of the past years could've beaten a prime Mike Tyson. You're so defensive of Wlad... that sometimes that can carry to being dismissive of other great heavyweights of the past.

I'm defensive of Wlad because he too is a great fighter and people are slow to respect fighters that are still fighting. When people try to tell me that the bums from other eras would beat Wladimir #1 It's wrong and #2 it's disrespectful.

When I listed the boxers I thought could beat Tyson I was respectful and I was thoughtful. If people want to consider Ray Mercer a "bum" then fine, he certainly wasn't but whatever. Ray had a very inconsistent career but at one point in time do I think he had the skills & abilities to handle Mike Tyson? YES. Ray Mercer really pushed Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield, he had a chin, he had good fundamentals and he'd be around for 12 rounds vs Tyson who after about 5 rounds would start to show some wear because the pressure fighting style plus the power punching is taxing on stamina.

You didn't stop at Mercer, Lyle.

Fuck off...

Name 9 other heavies who would be a favourite to beat the Tyson that beat Spinks

Just 9? I mean 9 guys to beat a "Prime Tyson" doesn't necessarily mean these guys are all Top 10 Heavyweights of All-Time, but here it goes: Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Louis, Vitali, Holmes, Mercer, Bowe, Frazier, and personally I think Ernie Terrell would do a number on old Mike too

So I have a couple questions #1 which do you disagree with ? #2 how is saying Tyson would lose to those guys disrespectful?

Bert Sugar said Wladimir Klitschko would lose to Primo Carnera...THAT is disrespectful

Lyle.............. Bowe?? You know how you've slagged on Bowe (and I've been right behind you).
THAT, Lyle.... is disrespectful.

Ernie Terrell? C'mon, man.

And no disrespect to the great Smokin' Joe, but Frazier? Tyson murders even a prime Frazier inside of 5 rounds. Joe never got hit with anything like what Tyson would have to offer, at least not from Ali. And Foreman? Foreman was big and powerful... but his punches were slower and more telegraphed. Tyson would've landed a powerful combo on Joe's head faster than you could blink.

Again, I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan..... but give the guy his just due.

[El Kabong]

Lyle.............. Bowe?? You know how you've slagged on Bowe (and I've been right behind you).
THAT, Lyle.... is disrespectful.

Ernie Terrell? C'mon, man.

And no disrespect to the great Smokin' Joe, but Frazier? Tyson murders even a prime Frazier inside of 5 rounds. Joe never got hit with anything like what Tyson would have to offer, at least not from Ali. And Foreman? Foreman was big and powerful... but his punches were slower and more telegraphed. Tyson would've landed a powerful combo on Joe's head faster than you could blink.

Again, I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan..... but give the guy his just due.

Yes I know how I've slagged on Bowe, so you're saying there's no chance he can beat Tyson? I don't think that at all. I think Bowe could have had his spots vs Tyson and what it would boil down to is could Bowe take the punches....if he could he'd win by KO if not then he'd lose by KO.

Ernie Terrell was HUGE and he only got stopped 2 times in his career. 1 vs Cleveland Williams and 1 the last fight of his very long career. He was 6'6 and had an 82" reach, more of a boxer than a power puncher so he'd have to keep pumping those punches out and not get gunshy. He was also a guy who would try to be a bully in the ring.

Joe Frazier did take a few rounds to warm up, I admit that and Tyson did come out with both barrels blazing....but each round that passes Frazier gets stronger, Frazier builds up momentum and Tyson starts losing it.

Now George Foreman is where I draw the damn line...Mike Tyson didn't even want to fight 45 year old George Foreman what would he do with a younger version George Foreman was meaner and tougher and nastier than anything in the darkest depths of Tyson's nightmares and Big George would run roughshod over Tyson.

[TitoFan]

Lyle.............. Bowe?? You know how you've slagged on Bowe (and I've been right behind you).
THAT, Lyle.... is disrespectful.

Ernie Terrell? C'mon, man.

And no disrespect to the great Smokin' Joe, but Frazier? Tyson murders even a prime Frazier inside of 5 rounds. Joe never got hit with anything like what Tyson would have to offer, at least not from Ali. And Foreman? Foreman was big and powerful... but his punches were slower and more telegraphed. Tyson would've landed a powerful combo on Joe's head faster than you could blink.

Again, I'm not the world's biggest Tyson fan..... but give the guy his just due.

Yes I know how I've slagged on Bowe, so you're saying there's no chance he can beat Tyson? I don't think that at all. I think Bowe could have had his spots vs Tyson and what it would boil down to is could Bowe take the punches....if he could he'd win by KO if not then he'd lose by KO.

Ernie Terrell was HUGE and he only got stopped 2 times in his career. 1 vs Cleveland Williams and 1 the last fight of his very long career. He was 6'6 and had an 82" reach, more of a boxer than a power puncher so he'd have to keep pumping those punches out and not get gunshy. He was also a guy who would try to be a bully in the ring.

Joe Frazier did take a few rounds to warm up, I admit that and Tyson did come out with both barrels blazing....but each round that passes Frazier gets stronger, Frazier builds up momentum and Tyson starts losing it.

Now George Foreman is where I draw the damn line...Mike Tyson didn't even want to fight 45 year old George Foreman what would he do with a younger version George Foreman was meaner and tougher and nastier than anything in the darkest depths of Tyson's nightmares and Big George would run roughshod over Tyson.

You misunderstood and I can see why now that I reread my post. When I said "And Foreman?" I wasn't referring to Tyson vs. Foreman. I was finishing my point about Frazier. That Frazier took everything Ali could dish out, but would not be able to the same against Tyson. And that if people want to say that Foreman only knocked Frazier out because he was bigger and stronger, thus implying that Tyson wouldn't be able to...... my answer is that Big George's punches to Frazier were slower and a bit more telegraphed than anything Tyson would throw at Frazier.

For the record, I think Tyson has very little chance against a prime Foreman.
Foreman was downright scary.

[Master]

I disagree I think prime Tyson beats Prime Foreman but certainly he would have beaten the old one that came out looking for him before prison.

[TitoFan]

I disagree I think prime Tyson beats Prime Foreman but certainly he would have beaten the old one that came out looking for him before prison.

I can see why you'd feel that way, and certainly if they fought 10 times, I don't think either man takes the 10 fights. But with Foreman I think of the combination of size, power, and attitude. He was mean... and he wanted to decapitate you then and there. Many of Tyson's victims were beaten before they stepped into the ring. (Regardless... scared or not, I think Tyson still takes them all). But Foreman again had that combination of factors. It would've been an awesome fight, and maybe a matter of who connected first.

[El Kabong]

I disagree I think prime Tyson beats Prime Foreman but certainly he would have beaten the old one that came out looking for him before prison.

I can see why you'd feel that way, and certainly if they fought 10 times, I don't think either man takes the 10 fights. But with Foreman I think of the combination of size, power, and attitude. He was mean... and he wanted to decapitate you then and there. Many of Tyson's victims were beaten before they stepped into the ring. (Regardless... scared or not, I think Tyson still takes them all). But Foreman again had that combination of factors. It would've been an awesome fight, and maybe a matter of who connected first.

...which would bring me to Ron Lyle a guy who had an awesome career considering the time he lost out on and how he almost died in prison because he was stabbed. Ron Lyle, not that he would necessarily beat Tyson but I think he'd be around the Bruno, James Smith, Donovan Ruddock area.

But what Ron Lyle tells us about a Foreman-Tyson fight is that Big George could get back up and win....Iron Mike never did that