Was he or not!

[Memphis]

Jeremy Beadle, tiny cock, but on the other hand its massive.

[armyash]

Jeremy Beadle, tiny cock, but on the other hand its massive.

[Gandalf]

A 15 year old who bangs an older man and continues doing so for several years is a sexually aware, thinking human being. She could have done something about it, but did nothing. She needs to take some responsibility for saying nothing. It is lame to be coming out only after a man is dead. Savile was an old man for years, this could have come out much sooner and with justice being carried out. It doesn't really do anything now.

Seriously Miles? Do you not have any understanding of how these things happen whatsoever?

I made a number of different observations there. Which point in particular?

What I do know is that teenagers are most typically sexually aware and that not reporting a man until he is dead is just a little bit pointless.

If guilty then Savile deserves his blame, but so many more are clearly very complicit in the life of Mr Savile.

All of them Miles. You fail to acknowledge or at the very least brush over the fact that these girls were underage, fail to acknowledge that its common for victims to wait until the alleged attacker is dead to say anything. Continue with the idiotic 'if it happened to me' logic. Fail to see the benefit it could bring if there was some kind of conclusion to all this mess.

I have said that Savile was wrong. I seem to preface every post with that. He shouldn't have been anywhere near underage girls. However, at the same time what were underage girls doing with him? All of them get abused and don't say a thing because he does charity work? Pretty much all of them? As I say, if you are doing it well into your 20's then something is amiss. I don't really have any time for someone unable to resist the charms of a man in a shell suit.

There can be no firm conclusion as most of the evidence is circumstantial and the man himself can never be brought to trial. I highly doubt any heads will roll as it is all in the past. Mistakes were made. The only thing that can be learned is that older men with a tendency to hang around with kids should be watched more closely.

[Memphis]

Prefixing your opinions with Saville was a weird shell suit wearing perv doesnt make them any less ridiculous Miles.

Get abused as a kid? Well speak up at the time, no use crying over split milk! Get abused as a kid and carry on into adult life? Well pull yourself together, you're older now!

Your view is very basic.

[Gandalf]

Prefixing your opinions with Saville was a weird shell suit wearing perv doesnt make them any less ridiculous Miles.

Get abused as a kid? Well speak up at the time, no use crying over split milk! Get abused as a kid and carry on into adult life? Well pull yourself together, you're older now!

Your view is very basic.

What is ridiculous about stating that many girls of 15 are sexually knowing, active, aware and furthermore will often seek an older man. Like I have said before, there is a big difference between a 'kid' of 7 and a bra wearing teenager. In the former instance I would always view it a the most reprehensible of behaviour. In the later instance less so. Arbitrary legal limits on age or stances on law don't matter to many of us. We break them all the time. How old were you when you had your first drink? Have you ever taken drugs? Have you ever said something hateful? Doing it with a 15 year old is borderline. Against the law yes and in my view not very smart too, but such a disgrace? Not really.

Just take a look at some of these countries where the age of consent is as low as 14.

Ages of consent in Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ages of consent in South America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jimmy Savile is being witch hunted in an overly PC society that furthermore sexualises children at a younger age than those of children in many other parts of the world. He broke the law, but in many places around the world he would not be being demonised like he is being in PC, cannot say boo to a goose, Britain.

I honestly think some of you Brits are becoming brainwashed with what you are being told to think rather than think for yourselves and see a bigger picture.

[Gandalf]

Savile: 'Victims' Prepare To Sue NHS And BBC - Yahoo! News UK

So now we are coming to the crux of the matter. Not content with avoiding going after an old man in his lifetime with criminal complaints, they wait until his death and decide to sue national institutions. Money will make it all better for them, right? I regard all of this as quite ridiculous. It all just seems so far fetched. Molesting brain damaged kids! It's almost comical in it's ever more dramatic narrative. Next he will have molested Prince Harry thus explaining Harry's wayward ways. I mean, really? Any genuine witnesses and seemingly many of the victims need to hold themselves responsible for their own complicit behaviour.

If you saw anything and only come out now, then I think that person in turn needs the law thrown at them. You don't just blame the pied piper, you also blame the sheepish followers too. Furthermore, look at the UK tabloid media with its obsession with showing young girls in skimpy tops and then a week later stalking peado's. Hypocrisy no? And then everyone who looks at the pictures of borderline illegals starts getting all angry about 'nonces'. These papers sell more than all the others, everyone is complicit to some degree.

The UK is a rotting cesspool of the most loathsome type. What we have now are the Salem witch trials and what is apparent is the hypocrisy and degradation at the heart of the entire structure of the nation. Britain is a rotten, foul place. Girls march out in make up and try to get served in bars, some hope to get 'lucky'. It's everywhere. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't exist either. It is trial by tabloid and graves having to be defaced as a result. If the man is guilt then have it out in a court of law, but until then the witch hunt needs to abate.

Seeing all this makes me realize how awful it must be to be a paedophile trying to rebuild a life. There is literally no means of doing that in a hothead country like the UK. The tabloids are rampant and you will be harassed from then until the grave. It almost makes me pity what they have to become after so called 'rehabilitation'.

Mind you, I certainly don't regard a man sleeping with a 15 year old as paedophilia. Illegal yes, and in some instances wrong, but not necessarily so.

[Memphis]

Ah you've decided to play the 'Im a free thinker card' again

Did any of this happen in Asia or South America? You're links are completed irrelevant.

You're seriously comparing having a sly bottle of cider down the park with your mates at 16 17 to a grown man taking advantage of children? Please tell me I've read that wrong.

To borrow a line from the much missed Steelie you're cutting your cloth to suit Miles. You're presenting an image of a stream of sexually aware young adults who are more than willing to jump into bed with a grown man knowing full well that its wrong but doing so regardless. That might have been the case in some instances who knows, even then he's still wrong and breaking the law.

Instead of asking yourself where on Earth can you get away with fucking kids, ask yourself why many victims of abuse don't say anything until much later in life, or why victims of abuse remain abused even when they know that its wrong and that they are being abused.

[Memphis]

If you saw anything and only come out now, then I think that person in turn needs the law thrown at them.

Agreed in part, but do we know how many of those people sat by knowingly watching a pervert at work or how many of them we're brave enough to say something at the time only to be encouraged? to say nothing?

[armyash]

I have to agree, Britiain has become far too PC minded, it's an absolute joke. Everyone is offended by something and there's rules and laws surrounding most things.

If Saville was a perv molesting mentally ill people and little kids then I hope some evidence is found but if not there's not much that can be done. All these people looking for pay outs is a bit crazy, the governmnt or BBC will throw money at these people as it's been plastered all over the media someone will have to appear to be making amends.

When I first heard about it all I thought he was being made out to be a right sicko, someone who molests toddlers and babies and little kids. It seems as though he liked a grope with 14/15 year old girls. I agree it's wrong but seriously when I was 15 I remember half the 14/15 year old girls at school were fucking like it was going out of fashion. Some with older blokes (not 70 yr olds mind) and some just with lads from school and I bet most high schools are the same.

Like I said there's fuck all can be done about it now, if he could be made to pay that would be ok and if he has been a proper peado then piss on his grave but if he's shagged a few 15 year old girls does this all need to happen.

*I in no way support underage sex, sex with minors or anything else like that.

[Gandalf]

I don't know what you mean with the free thinker card. I am just not convinced the blame is on one man alone and a man that hasn't been deemed guilty in a court of law.

Europe is perhaps closer to home in the consent game. In France the age of consent is 15, Spain 13, Denmark 15, Estonia 14. In many nations of the world none of this would be such a big deal. It's the English disease to grab the pitchforks on an individual.

The man liked them young and if they were that young then it was illegal, but a lot of 15 year olds are not entirely blameless. Have you never attended a British secondary school? Or been to a pub on a weekend evening? I noticed it even this summer. Some very young people out drinking!

Anyway, I am done with this for the day. I think I shall go out to the pub and talk to only people with graying hair. You never can be too careful, though with an age of consent at 13 I should be fine!

[Gandalf]

That last comment was a joke!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Something about it all just sounds wrong to me. With the numbers being bandied out it just seems absurd that complaints were not made in his lifetime. Savile was a bloody TV presenter of all things, a DJ, if you are predating young children then complaints are made, investigations get done and you get put away. End of.

I am not buying into this 'protected' argument. All those years being allowed to fondle more and more children? Many more people than Savile are responsible for allowing that to go on unchecked if these allegations are true. Jimmy Savile wasn't Kim Jong Il. Just a TV clown who raised money for charity. Not a truly powerful or meaningful individual. Nobody felt prepared to take him on? It makes NO sense.

Nothing can be achieved by raking Savile over the coals now. It was all too long ago and anyone involved is now older and damaged or was involved and is dead. I don't see anywhere it can go. Far too late.

You're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.

I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.

I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.

It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.

If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.

Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.

You're an ignorant bigoted cunt Miles. I have told you of something that happened. I could tell you of more It's a fact. It happened. And because it doesn't fit your view you ignore it and carry on ranting.

You're a stupid man. Your mind is closed. Worthless.

Such an angry woman. You must be on the rag or regret losing your virginity to an older man at 15.

I really didn't detect any ranting in my writing. You don't like my stance and therefore find solace in handing out insults.

A 15 year old who bangs an older man and continues doing so for several years is a sexually aware, thinking human being. She could have done something about it, but did nothing. She needs to take some responsibility for saying nothing. It is lame to be coming out only after a man is dead. Savile was an old man for years, this could have come out much sooner and with justice being carried out. It doesn't really do anything now.

How is my mind closed? I admit I think Savile liked fresh meat, but what I also do is raise some questions about the witch hunt, the timing, and the notion of a 15 year old being so innocent. There were plenty of slags at my school of 15-16. Just look at teen pregnancies in recent years, there must be a lot of peado's getting them all up the duff.

But yeah, carry on with your own tunnel vision. We all know mankind is the scourge and usurper of all female life in your world. A woman can never be a sexually knowing slut.

Mine is based on FACT miles, unlike you I have experience of what I'm talking about. YOU do not. You're pathetic. Please leave or get cancer or something.


Also noticed you haven't attacked someone like Scrap for suggesting the authorities knew and did nothing.

[Andre]

Miles in most of these situations including priests fucking little boys which is the same thing, the victims are made to feel it is partially their doing and feel guilt about it so they hide it for years and suffer in silence. Sometimes its only when others come out and talk in a similar situation and get treated fairly, they feel they can get it off their chest as well.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Miles in most of these situations including priests fucking little boys which is the same thing, the victims are made to feel it is partially their doing and feel guilt about it so they hide it for years and suffer in silence. Sometimes its only when others come out and talk in a similar situation and get treated fairly, they feel they can get it off their chest as well.

you're wrong Andre, those boys know what they're doing letting priests toss them off. Slags

[Gandalf]

Something about it all just sounds wrong to me. With the numbers being bandied out it just seems absurd that complaints were not made in his lifetime. Savile was a bloody TV presenter of all things, a DJ, if you are predating young children then complaints are made, investigations get done and you get put away. End of.

I am not buying into this 'protected' argument. All those years being allowed to fondle more and more children? Many more people than Savile are responsible for allowing that to go on unchecked if these allegations are true. Jimmy Savile wasn't Kim Jong Il. Just a TV clown who raised money for charity. Not a truly powerful or meaningful individual. Nobody felt prepared to take him on? It makes NO sense.

Nothing can be achieved by raking Savile over the coals now. It was all too long ago and anyone involved is now older and damaged or was involved and is dead. I don't see anywhere it can go. Far too late.

You're an idiot and have no understanding of reality. There is no point in discussing it with you really. You're focused on what can be done about Saville now, there is no point, the point it clearly matters to the women who were abused.

I know of a case of a woman who was sexually assaulted/raped as a kid, it went on for YEARS. The guy was a friend of her mum, he lived next door. It only became public when she was in her late 20's and started to show signs of distress at work and it all came out. Abuse becomes normalised.

I can give you as many examples as you like. It's another subject you know little about.

It's easy for people to sit back and say 'well I would have done this', you don't know. It's not happened to you.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy into the notion of a 15 year old being a blameless innocent. Savile was likely a bit of a pervert, but many of these teenage girls were sexually aware and were complicit. If you are still shagging the old man into your 20's then you are the idiot. Were you really still playing with Barbie at 15 or did you know a thing or two about the world? I know I did. These were not little girls, these were sexually blossoming teenagers. In centuries gone by you could even marry them.

If it was children of 6 we were talking about with thumb in mouth and a teddy bear in the free arm, I would be a lot more distressed, but otherwise, not really. Savile is dead and the deeds were done. Have you heard the latest claim? A patient recovering from surgery now confesses to having seen Savile molest a brain damaged patient. I mean really, you come out all these years later and make that public. It has become a feeding frenzy.

Likely some truth, but also likely a lot of horseshit too.

You're an ignorant bigoted cunt Miles. I have told you of something that happened. I could tell you of more It's a fact. It happened. And because it doesn't fit your view you ignore it and carry on ranting.

You're a stupid man. Your mind is closed. Worthless.

Such an angry woman. You must be on the rag or regret losing your virginity to an older man at 15.

I really didn't detect any ranting in my writing. You don't like my stance and therefore find solace in handing out insults.

A 15 year old who bangs an older man and continues doing so for several years is a sexually aware, thinking human being. She could have done something about it, but did nothing. She needs to take some responsibility for saying nothing. It is lame to be coming out only after a man is dead. Savile was an old man for years, this could have come out much sooner and with justice being carried out. It doesn't really do anything now.

How is my mind closed? I admit I think Savile liked fresh meat, but what I also do is raise some questions about the witch hunt, the timing, and the notion of a 15 year old being so innocent. There were plenty of slags at my school of 15-16. Just look at teen pregnancies in recent years, there must be a lot of peado's getting them all up the duff.

But yeah, carry on with your own tunnel vision. We all know mankind is the scourge and usurper of all female life in your world. A woman can never be a sexually knowing slut.

Mine is based on FACT miles, unlike you I have experience of what I'm talking about. YOU do not. You're pathetic. Please leave or get cancer or something.


Also noticed you haven't attacked someone like Scrap for suggesting the authorities knew and did nothing.

You really are an odd Mod to be asking long term posters to get cancer or leave just because they approach something from a different POV. It isn't the first time you have made it personal. You have a habit of doing so. How about you sticking to your facts, because quite frankly I haven't heard many. Just an odd sentence here and there with a bunch of insults thrown on top.

It is a fact that many places accept teenage sexual relations of 13 and up. It is seemingly a fact that Savile liked to be involved with girls typically of around 15 years of age. It is also a fact that many girls of this age are sexually active, putting on makeup and wanting to boast with their friends of what they can do. It is not a fact that Savile raped anyone, nor molested brain damaged people. That will need to be proven and unfortunately as it probably can't, then it shall never be a fact.

Thus I believe there is truth to it all, Savile was in the wrong, but probably not always. You don't hang a man based on an ITV 'documentary'. I am using logic to see that our societies sexualise children young and yet have an age of consent of 16. It isn't so mad that people have had sex with underage girls because there of numerous examples of those who have. I see John Peel is the latest 'pervert'. Savile was likely far more obvious, but I don't really consider Peel as all that in the wrong at all.