Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
When Lyle? Once before the KTFO-loss triad, and then against Sam Peter??
The Sam Peter we all agree was grossly overrated and has since quietly slinked into anonymity?

How about YOU tell ME when Wlad has been fully tested by a worthy fighter?
YOU tell ME about his "Fraziers", his "Nortons" (as in Holmes-Norton).

Frankly, I'm tired of giving Wlad props that fall just a bit short of knighthood, only to have you crap all over the arguments.
I'm hardly the only one here that doesn't burn incense at the foot of Wlad's golden statue.
But I'm the only one you take issue with.
So you know what? FUCK OFF!

If it's either all or nothing with you... I'll pick nothing.
Wlad is a fukking bum.
He hasn't had an opponent yet that hasn't soiled his pants while walking to the ring.
Most of his opponents have more body fat than Shamu the killer whale.
His fights are about as exciting as an IRS audit.
He has the chin of a drugged, teenage girl.

Happy now?
#1 Sam Peter being "overrated" is erroneous. Did Wlad or didn't Wlad get up from the knockdowns to win that fight? Don't play revisionist historian don't say that you knew all along Sam Peter was a tad overhyped because it doesn't fucking matter. Wlad got knocked down, he got back up and he won.....test passed

#2 You've not defined what the "test" is. Is it going the distance vs a durable fighter? Is it winning after a cut? Is it dealing with adversity like multiple knockdowns? If the question is has a fighter ever still been dangerous in the 12 round after fighting Wlad tooth and nail it hasn't happened because they've either been beaten into a shell or ran the entire fight trying to land 1 good punch. But as soon as you define this "test" you want Wlad to pass I'll let you know if he's done it, but don't be so purposely ambiguous and vague about it. Do I want to see Wlad have a foil to his style, someone that will truly challenge him for his title? Fuck yes I do, but if that fighter is out there Wlad hasn't come across him yet. It would be great for boxing if someone would stand and fight and not either lie down or just be a heavybag, but I can't see anyone out there like that. I heard Liakhovich gave Wlad great fights in sparring but that fight never happened and now it's too late as Sergei is washed up. A rematch vs Sanders would have been nice, never happened. Wlad has done everything he can personally do to be a great fighter, he's avenged a defeat, he's gotten up from the canvas to win, he won after being cut, the argument your pressing all has to do with the opponent and not Wlad and that's the point where I get a bit frustrated. What is Wlad supposed to do? Train half assed? Fight southpaw or with a hand behind his back?

#3 It's not "all or nothing" you @TitoFan are refusing to define your own terms and THAT irritates me you may as well say "I don't like him because....just because" you make arguments like a 4 year old.

Don't get so heated