Froch/Calzaghe! Caption this pic:

[Dia bando]

When was this? JC should just get in shape and man up and make one of the biggest Uk showdowns , Froch- JC would be a good fight.

Froch was offered the fight when he was an absolute nobody.

Remember, before Froch fought Robin Reid, he hadnt faced any world title challengers or former world title holders. His record was shitty weak! He was in his 30's at the time and was a pro for over 5 years, so not a novice even. He had absolutely no credible excuse not to jump clapping and screaming at that offer!

It was just before he fought Reid and he turned it down. Whatever the money was it was a fast track to the top

I cant believe it, Carl I will fight anyone Froch turning down a FIGHT, well, well,

[ross]

When was this? JC should just get in shape and man up and make one of the biggest Uk showdowns , Froch- JC would be a good fight.

Froch was offered the fight when he was an absolute nobody.

Remember, before Froch fought Robin Reid, he hadnt faced any world title challengers or former world title holders. His record was shitty weak! He was in his 30's at the time and was a pro for over 5 years, so not a novice even. He had absolutely no credible excuse not to jump clapping and screaming at that offer!

It was just before he fought Reid and he turned it down. Whatever the money was it was a fast track to the top

I cant believe it, Carl I will fight anyone Froch turning down a FIGHT, well, well,

I never used to like Froch because he came out with so much shit when he had done nothing and looked to be going nowhere slowly. I do like him as a fighter now but he has his obvious limitations. Kessler will beat him again. Kessler can match Froch for his toughness but has better skills and faster hands.

Heres what Warren has to say about aftoch and offering him the Calzaghe fight. You're Not a Great, Carl | Frank Warren Promotions

[AdamGB]

So either Froch wanted to mix it at a bit of a better level before fighting Calzaghe or there was another issue? Contracts, dates etc? So what.

It's not like Calzaghe ever turned an offer down and the fact that Calzaghe were even calling out a 'nobody' who hadn't even fought a Robin Reid yet says a lot and would fit his M.O.

[AdamGB]

He would have been in his twenties and have had fights still numbering in the teens...
So yeah Joe wanting to fight him then and Froch turning it down don't surprise me.

Different story now, judged as a Champion - who hasn't Froch fought? Who has he turned down? Nobody. The same cannot be said of Calzaghe.

The biggest win I can give him is Kes.

[Saddo]

Is Joe saying... "don't look now but the guy in the rainbow tie only has 3 fingers on each hand"

[Spicoli]

What the Hell is Paulie Walnuts from the Sopranos doing there?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

"I'm not Louie Spence you prawns, look feel me tits".

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He would have been in his twenties and have had fights still numbering in the teens...
So yeah Joe wanting to fight him then and Froch turning it down don't surprise me.

Different story now, judged as a Champion - who hasn't Froch fought? Who has he turned down? Nobody. The same cannot be said of Calzaghe.

The biggest win I can give him is Kes.

Hahahaha!

Froch was 30 and had 21 fights! reid was his 22nd! By contrast, when Calzaghe was scheduled to challenge Collins he hadnt been a pro 4 years yet and had 22 fights. Froch was so slow about moving his career but when offered the chance of a boost he went quiet.

This was in 2007 before Calzaghe fought Kessler.

Dont forget it it was Froch who was calling Calzaghe out everywhere but when offered the fight he shit his pants and sat back down.

If We are judging Calzaghe purely on the Kessler fight then he is better than Froch...

[Dia bando]

We can shoot the shit, all day about this fight it never happened a peak Joe v a peak Carl, outcome
Froch gets schooled.

[AdamGB]

He would have been in his twenties and have had fights still numbering in the teens...
So yeah Joe wanting to fight him then and Froch turning it down don't surprise me.

Different story now, judged as a Champion - who hasn't Froch fought? Who has he turned down? Nobody. The same cannot be said of Calzaghe.

The biggest win I can give him is Kes.

Hahahaha!

Froch was 30 and had 21 fights! reid was his 22nd! By contrast, when Calzaghe was scheduled to challenge Collins he hadnt been a pro 4 years yet and had 22 fights. Froch was so slow about moving his career but when offered the chance of a boost he went quiet.

This was in 2007 before Calzaghe fought Kessler.

Dont forget it it was Froch who was calling Calzaghe out everywhere but when offered the fight he shit his pants and sat back down.

If We are judging Calzaghe purely on the Kessler fight then he is better than Froch...

It's all I can judge him on:

Lacy - we've seen how good he was, great beat down... But against a very over hyped fighter

Jones - old, Calzaghe himself WROTE thar Jones Jr. was old and shot, then fought him a year or two later anyway.

Hopkins - old and a very disputed win (not the first either, ask robin reid), some say he lost. Hardly conclusive.

Eubank - old, Calzaghe did take it on short notice, but he can't get the same credit he would have for beating a young Eubank.

Yeah he was undefeated, but he could of had two losses and so was sven otke

Listen, I like Calzaghe (I can see the dvd of the kessler bout on my shelf now), but people tend to over rate him somewhat, doesn 't mean he wasn't a good champ though.

As for Froch's age/record, you said BEFORE the Robin Reid fight, not after!

But what do you want? His career got off to a slower start than Calzaghes? It just goes down as a fight offered to somebody inexperienced and untested at that level. Differet story now.

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He would have been in his twenties and have had fights still numbering in the teens...
So yeah Joe wanting to fight him then and Froch turning it down don't surprise me.

Different story now, judged as a Champion - who hasn't Froch fought? Who has he turned down? Nobody. The same cannot be said of Calzaghe.

The biggest win I can give him is Kes.

Hahahaha!

Froch was 30 and had 21 fights! reid was his 22nd! By contrast, when Calzaghe was scheduled to challenge Collins he hadnt been a pro 4 years yet and had 22 fights. Froch was so slow about moving his career but when offered the chance of a boost he went quiet.

This was in 2007 before Calzaghe fought Kessler.

Dont forget it it was Froch who was calling Calzaghe out everywhere but when offered the fight he shit his pants and sat back down.

If We are judging Calzaghe purely on the Kessler fight then he is better than Froch...

It's all I can judge him on:

Lacy - we've seen how good he was, great beat down... But against a very over hyped fighter

Jones - old, Calzaghe himself WROTE thar Jones Jr. was old and shot, then fought him a year or two later anyway.

Hopkins - old and a very disputed win (not the first either, ask robin reid), some say he lost. Hardly conclusive.

Eubank - old, Calzaghe did take it on short notice, but he can't get the same credit he would have for beating a young Eubank.

Yeah he was undefeated, but he could of had two losses and so was sven otke

Listen, I like Calzaghe (I can see the dvd of the kessler bout on my shelf now), but people tend to over rate him somewhat, doesn 't mean he wasn't a good champ though.

As for Froch's age/record, you said BEFORE the Robin Reid fight, not after!

But what do you want? His career got off to a slower start than Calzaghes? It just goes down as a fight offered to somebody inexperienced and untested at that level. Differet story now.

What are you on about!?

It was Froch that was whining in the papers every week how he wants Calzaghe, Calzaghe is avoiding him etc.

Calzaghe was one of the biggest names in world boxing at that point and Froch wasnt even world rated yet, he wasnt on Joes radar. Froch did a good job at hyping a possible fight so Warren obviously thought "fuck it! Might as well offer him a fight" but as soon as it was offered, Froch had excuses.

As for Hopkins on Calzaghes record, Hopkins went on to give Pavlik his first loss and beat Pascal. Regarding age, Joe is 5 years older than Froch.

Different story now? Why because now Froch has experience? Well, an experienced Froch went in with Kessler and lost. The slower older version of Kessler.

[Luckystu72]

I like Froch, but agree that peak Joe would school him (like Ward did)

[AdamGB]

He was definetly more skilled. If he was stupid and tried to put fight Froch I could see a stoppage tbh. It's all down to how each one would box.