Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

You can make excuses for any losing fighter.

Floyd may well beat Pac. But judging them on common opponents then Pac is his superior. Fact.

Pac KO'd Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and has beaten Mosley and Marquez knocking them both down.

Floyd won on points against Cotto, Mosley, Oscar, Marquez and KO'd Hatton eight rounds after Pac did it.

It's no comparison. Pac over Floyd.

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

You can make excuses for any losing fighter.

Floyd may well beat Pac. But judging them on common opponents then Pac is his superior. Fact.

Pac KO'd Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and has beaten Mosley and Marquez knocking them both down.

Floyd won on points against Cotto, Mosley, Oscar, Marquez and KO'd Hatton eight rounds after Pac did it.

It's no comparison. Pac over Floyd.

Trevor Berbick beat Ali, who had beaten George Foreman.
Common opponents.

Berbick over Foreman?

If the argument is who did better against common opponents... Pac did.
If the argument is who would win between Pac and Floyd... Floyd would.

Also, it's probably a bit more realistic when doing a common opponent comparison to examine the whens, hows, and other factors involved.

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

You can make excuses for any losing fighter.

Floyd may well beat Pac. But judging them on common opponents then Pac is his superior. Fact.

Pac KO'd Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and has beaten Mosley and Marquez knocking them both down.

Floyd won on points against Cotto, Mosley, Oscar, Marquez and KO'd Hatton eight rounds after Pac did it.

It's no comparison. Pac over Floyd.

Trevor Berbick beat Ali, who had beaten George Foreman.
Common opponents.

Berbick over Foreman?

If the argument is who did better against common opponents... Pac did.
If the argument is who would win between Pac and Floyd... Floyd would.

Also, it's probably a bit more realistic when doing a common opponent comparison to examine the whens, hows, and other factors involved.

Correct. Fact.

Who would win between Pac and Floyd is just a guess.

[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

I agree tito.

But to elaborate a bit on hatton, a fighter can loose there prime instantly at any time and i never saw the old hatton after the floyd fight.

He changed trainers, taking coke behind the scenes..he wasnt the same.

I think we can all agree floyd beat these common fighters at a better time and better weight.

Floyd came of a 2YEAR retirement to fight the ring top dog marquez and played with..played with him!

Manny cant deal with fighters like marquez, morales, bradley..thats his achillis heel.

Floyd had a tough first one with castillo and considering he had a torn rotater on his left shoulder its amazing he still pulled out the win!

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

I agree tito.

But to elaborate a bit on hatton, a fighter can loose there prime instantly at any time and i never saw the old hatton after the floyd fight.

He changed trainers, taking coke behind the scenes..he wasnt the same.

I think we can all agree floyd beat these common fighters at a better time and better weight.

Floyd came of a 2YEAR retirement to fight the ring top dog marquez and played with..played with him!

Manny cant deal with fighters like marquez, morales, bradley..thats his achillis heel.

Floyd had a tough first one with castillo and considering he had a torn rotater on his left shoulder its amazing he still pulled out the win!

Considering he has two wins against Marquez, two KO victories over Morales and all popular polls show that the majority believed he was "robbed" against Bradley, he hasn't done bad against fighters he can't deal with.

[Spicoli]

Marquez shouldn't be worried about what Mayweather would or wouldn't do to Manny.

[christianshreve]

JMM is getting English down pretty well. It's unfortunate that more great Mexican fighters don't. Little Ricardo Lopez could have made millions more if he had learned English--not that they should have to do so, mind you; it's just that so much of the paying demographic speaks English, and likes to hear them directly without a translator.
If one bases their career on being the voice of a culture, i.e. Duran for Panama or Julio Chavez sr. for Mexico, then this may not apply.
However, on the main, it is a great marketing strategy to be able to talk directly to the largest chunk of ppv buyers without translation

[imp]

JMM is getting English down pretty well. It's unfortunate that more great Mexican fighters don't. Little Ricardo Lopez could have made millions more if he had learned English--not that they should have to do so, mind you; it's just that so much of the paying demographic speaks English, and likes to hear them directly without a translator.
If one bases their career on being the voice of a culture, i.e. Duran for Panama or Julio Chavez sr. for Mexico, then this may not apply.
However, on the main, it is a great marketing strategy to be able to talk directly to the largest chunk of ppv buyers without translation

Marquez does quite well with the english but for some reason i expected pac to be better.

[pacfan]

...we'll find out as soon as he stops duckin'...

[Violent Demise]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

[Violent Demise]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

You just proved my point. Cotto did have success early. So apparently the "strategy" was working very well. I never saw his corner tell Cotto to trade with Pacquiao (If they did let me know the moment they told him). Cotto decided to do that himself. Him being dropped and hurt showed it was a mistake. Whatever his corner told him or didn't tell him to do after that doesn't even matter. Cuz the fight was already lost. After that 2nd knock down it was over. Cotto went into full retreat and the fight stopped being competitive. It was just a matter of time. Cotto's corner took the blame cuz Cotto and his followers needed to blame something

[TitoFan]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

Cotto had been a pro for about 9 years going into the Pacquiao fight. He knows what the fuck he's doing. At least he should. His corner had nothing to do with him losing.

So do away with corners and trainers. What are they good for, right? This can't be a "sometimes they're needed... sometimes they're not" type of argument. Yes... all professional boxers know how to fight and carry themselves in the ring. But supposedly, a good corner/trainer is there to add strategy... to see things the fighter himself may be overlooking. In Cotto's case, he was doing quite nicely the first few rounds against Pac, snapping his head back repeatedly with a good hard jab. He should've refrained from trading with Pac until maybe a bit later in the fight, but he didn't and got tagged.

But more importantly... the trainer prepares the fighter BEFORE the fight, with the strength, conditioning, and other drills and exercises to get the most out the fighter for the particular opponent he is facing.

Example: Cotto clearly lost against Mayweather... but he would have done a HELL of a lot more poorly with Joe "Clueless" Santiago still in his corner.

You just proved my point. Cotto did have success early. So apparently the "strategy" was working very well. I never saw his corner tell Cotto to trade with Pacquiao (If they did let me know the moment they told him). Cotto decided to do that himself. Him being dropped and hurt showed it was a mistake. Whatever his corner told him or didn't tell him to do after that doesn't even matter. Cuz the fight was already lost. After that 2nd knock down it was over. Cotto went into full retreat and the fight stopped being competitive. It was just a matter of time. Cotto's corner took the blame cuz Cotto and his followers needed to blame something

Yeah ok whatever. We don't agree on that, but that's fine. However, you ignored perhaps the more important point... the training BEFORE the fight. It was obviously a different Cotto that went into the ring against Mayweather than against Pacquiao. He was better trained... better prepared. That's why I maintain that a Pedro Diaz-trained Cotto would've had a much better chance to defeat Pacquaio. Joe Santiago didn't have a clue as to how train Cotto for a specific fighter. He's merely a personal trainer, with very little inside knowledge about the boxing game. Pedro Diaz, on the other hand, was already a highly successful trainer from the Cuban amateur ranks, with a very good resume.