Juan Manuel Marquez Tells Pacquiao To His Face Floyd Would Kick His Ass On ESPN First

[imp]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

I agree tito.

But to elaborate a bit on hatton, a fighter can loose there prime instantly at any time and i never saw the old hatton after the floyd fight.

He changed trainers, taking coke behind the scenes..he wasnt the same.

I think we can all agree floyd beat these common fighters at a better time and better weight.

Floyd came of a 2YEAR retirement to fight the ring top dog marquez and played with..played with him!

Manny cant deal with fighters like marquez, morales, bradley..thats his achillis heel.

Floyd had a tough first one with castillo and considering he had a torn rotater on his left shoulder its amazing he still pulled out the win!

[Fenster]

The difference between pac and floyd is purely boxing.

Pac has to fight marquez 4 times over a period of so many years and still cant win a clear decison over an old fighter.

There is no need for floyd to fight marquez ever again as it was so clear the domination.

If its close again, its the leg cramp excuse.
Pac ducks bradley to fight an old marquez..boxing stinks.

If you want to judge them by common opponents then Manny is above Floyd.

He beat Cotto, Hatton, Oscar and Mosley more impressively than Floyd did.

Having close fights with a great like Marquez is nothing to be ashamed about. Floyd had two close fights with Castillo, arguably losing the first in many peoples eyes.

I think the hatton, oscar cotto and moseley that floyd fought were at a far better stage and weight as when they fought manny.

Obviously, im going to side with floyd and dont want to hijack the thread by talking about manny and floyds opponents but you wisely brought them up.

Floyd:-

Hatton-undefeated.(was never the same after floyd)

Oscar-his weight, his ring, his gloves, his rules.

Mosely:- after beating margacheato, no one wanted to fight him, even offered to do a catchweight with manny.

Cotto:- at his weight and not after a loss.

Weight makes all the difference.

Manny is great fighter but those common opponents were all at a disadvantage when fighting manny.

The Cotto that fought Pacquaio had a corner that had no clue as to how to put together a fight plan for Pacquiao. The Cotto that fought Floyd had Pedro Diaz in his corner, and the very best fight plan and conditioning to try and beat Floyd. Obviously it didn't work. That Cotto would've beaten Pac, IMO.

The Oscar that lost to Pac was a weight-drained, over-the-hill Oscar... looking for one more under-sized, famous scalp so he could ride off triumphantly into the sunset. It backfired in his face. The Oscar that lost to Floyd was much younger, closer to prime, and not weight-drained, fighting at 154.

The Mosley that fought Floyd was just coming off a crushing win over Margacheato, as mentioned by imp. His fight with Pac was later and toward the end of his career.

Hatton I won't include, because Hatton was in tip-top condition and said he was fighting for the world's p4p. Besides, he fought Floyd at 147, a weight he was NEVER comfortable at. He fought Pac at 140. Pac definitely put more of an exclamation point on his KTFO victory over Hatton than Floyd did.

Still, regardless of how each did against common opponents, Floyd beats the living daylights out of Pac if they were to meet today.

I agree tito.

But to elaborate a bit on hatton, a fighter can loose there prime instantly at any time and i never saw the old hatton after the floyd fight.

He changed trainers, taking coke behind the scenes..he wasnt the same.

I think we can all agree floyd beat these common fighters at a better time and better weight.

Floyd came of a 2YEAR retirement to fight the ring top dog marquez and played with..played with him!

Manny cant deal with fighters like marquez, morales, bradley..thats his achillis heel.

Floyd had a tough first one with castillo and considering he had a torn rotater on his left shoulder its amazing he still pulled out the win!

Considering he has two wins against Marquez, two KO victories over Morales and all popular polls show that the majority believed he was "robbed" against Bradley, he hasn't done bad against fighters he can't deal with.

[Spicoli]

Marquez shouldn't be worried about what Mayweather would or wouldn't do to Manny.

[christianshreve]

JMM is getting English down pretty well. It's unfortunate that more great Mexican fighters don't. Little Ricardo Lopez could have made millions more if he had learned English--not that they should have to do so, mind you; it's just that so much of the paying demographic speaks English, and likes to hear them directly without a translator.
If one bases their career on being the voice of a culture, i.e. Duran for Panama or Julio Chavez sr. for Mexico, then this may not apply.
However, on the main, it is a great marketing strategy to be able to talk directly to the largest chunk of ppv buyers without translation

[imp]

JMM is getting English down pretty well. It's unfortunate that more great Mexican fighters don't. Little Ricardo Lopez could have made millions more if he had learned English--not that they should have to do so, mind you; it's just that so much of the paying demographic speaks English, and likes to hear them directly without a translator.
If one bases their career on being the voice of a culture, i.e. Duran for Panama or Julio Chavez sr. for Mexico, then this may not apply.
However, on the main, it is a great marketing strategy to be able to talk directly to the largest chunk of ppv buyers without translation

Marquez does quite well with the english but for some reason i expected pac to be better.

[DavilaJones]

If I may ask a question to you all:

Let's say Mayweather fights Manny and win. Would this mean that he is the better or that his style suits him better to deal with an aggressive opponent? Styles do make fights. Frazier wasn't the greatest but he beat Ali.

I think it would of course be a mark of pride if one wins over the other but to say that the victor is superior wouldn't quite reflect the realities of boxing. Chavez was a damn great boxer but sweet pete spanked him, it takes nothing away from him.

[Master]

If I may ask a question to you all:

Let's say Mayweather fights Manny and win. Would this mean that he is the better or that his style suits him better to deal with an aggressive opponent? Styles do make fights. Frazier wasn't the greatest but he beat Ali.

I think it would of course be a mark of pride if one wins over the other but to say that the victor is superior wouldn't quite reflect the realities of boxing. Chavez was a damn great boxer but sweet pete spanked him, it takes nothing away from him.

Pac could have made it interesting a couple of years ago but now he would be countered silly by Floyd. Shame.

[pacfan]

...we'll find out as soon as he stops duckin'...